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You are in the Nissan Versa
What is this discussion about?
Nissan Versa, Hatchback, Sedan
#1081 of 1276 OH so now its LONG TERM reliability.
Jul 21, 2007 (6:18 am)
Well the most recent JD Power Vehicle Dependability Study from 2006 which measures problems after 3 years puts Nissan at 21st place with 242 problems per 100 vehicles and well off the average of 227.
Ford came in above average at 224 and Mercury came in 2nd with 151! Toyota was 5th with 179. Yes, thats 18% more problems in a 3 year old Toyota vs. a 3 year old Mercury.
I'm not trying to bash Nissan or the Versa in general. I am just trying to keep conversation about the strenghts and weakness of Versa as a car and not about how bad american cars are.
There are no recalls on 2005 to 2007 Focus.
As for whether the Power tests mean anything, I think that the difference between brands is significate.
#1082 of 1276 OH so now its LONG TERM reliability. by mschmal
Jul 21, 2007 (7:05 am)
"As for whether the Power tests mean anything, I think that the difference between brands is significate."
It's what/how J.D. measures that's at issue. GIGO. Garbage in, garbage out. J.D.'s customers are the auto companies. They need to tailor their data to make it appealing to their customers. They do that extremely well.
#1083 of 1276 Re: OH so now its LONG TERM reliability. [mschmal]
Jul 21, 2007 (9:04 am)
I wouldn't consider 3 years "long term", and once again, it does not address the types of problems, or cost of repair. the best indication of the long term quality of a car is in its resale value.
Ford is deffinitly on the right track, but only time will tell. So far ford is doing very well in both inital and 3 year reliablitly. If, the cars also hold up well after 5-10 years, ford may once again be able to challenge the asian companies.
But, that particular reliablity study was conducted on 2002 year vehicles, across all vehicle classes, not a particular vehicle, or vehicle class. I would suspect the focus is well below FoMoCo's average as a company.
nissan has redesigned all its vehicles since then, and the versa was 5 years away from comming out.
Jul 21, 2007 (9:43 am)
lets see, 242 vs. 227 per 100.
That means if you had 100 cars, only 15 more would have a problem.
Or on a particular car, it you have .15 more problems!
What I am getting at is that just because a brand is farther down the list, doesn't mean that it is unreliable in abstract terms.
#1085 of 1276 Re: stats [stickguy]
Jul 21, 2007 (11:10 am)
more importantly, it doesn't say anything about what kind of problems. say the focus for example, has two relativly minor problems. say a misaligned headlight, and window switch. Now, lets say the versa has one problem, the engine leaks oil and looses 2 quarts a week. according to the reliability ratings, the versa is a better car becase it only had 1/2 the problems of focus. despite the fact the problem with the versa makes the car undriveable and costs 50x as much to fix.
I'm not badmouthing ford, they've made enormous improvements in quality, and are finnaly begging to match (or even exceed) that of their asin competition. Just don't read too much into those relability ratings, they only tell 1/10th of the story.
#1086 of 1276 You are reading it wrong.
Jul 23, 2007 (9:27 am)
its problems per 100 cars.
on average each Nissan had 24.2 problems over the 3 years.
A problem is anything a customer dislikes enough to report. The mechanical failure, "Bad" fuel economy, cheap feel to the knobs, whatever.
It is important to car makers because it measures how well that car maker is meeting the expectations of its customers as well as how reliable the cars are.
#1087 of 1276 dtownfb...not only the new Scion xD
Jul 23, 2007 (9:51 am)
Toyota was pointing forward to but the argument was also made that Toyota didn't want Scion xA buyers buying the 5-door Toyota Yaris hatch/crossover. Either argument makes sense to me and answers the question.
Still there's a certain segment of people who love the Yaris 5-door design and wanted that particular car model. Not the other Toyota designs. It's as simple as that and remains a disappointment for them.
#1088 of 1276 Re: You are reading it wrong. [mschmal]
Jul 23, 2007 (10:23 am)
As much as I sometimes have difficulty with them, CR at least puts down what area of which car is having problems, using the dreaded "black circle" or much sought-after "red circle" and in between. My issue with J.D. Powers is that there is no weighting on a "problem." A transmission falling off the car counts as one problem. So does the, like mschmal says, a cheap-feeling knob.
I do grant that CR's tables do not really show a weighting per se, either, but at least you generally know what problems they are reporting on (engine, transmission, electrical, brakes, etc.).
#1089 of 1276 Re: You are reading it wrong. [mschmal]
Jul 23, 2007 (11:25 am)
its problems per 100 cars.
correct. so if nissan has 242 problems per 100 cars, that averages out to 2.4 problems per car. not 24.2
basically what its saying is, if nissan sells 100 vehicles, then they can expect 242 problems. not 2,400.