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Nissan Versa, Hatchback, Sedan
#1077 of 1273 Repair History?
Jul 20, 2007 (3:20 pm)
If you are worried about problems that people have after taking the car home, Nissan does not seem to be a good choice. In the 2007 JD Power Inital Quality Survey, Nissan came in 19th! behind Kia, Hyundai, Chevy, Buick and others.
Nissan was reported at 132 problems per 100 vehicles.
Averave was 125 problems per vehicle
Oh and Ford was at 120 problems per vehicle.
Mercury finished at 113 ppv one behind Toyota at 112 ppv.
SO your anti american sentiment is not supported by the facts.
And if you are looking at leasing, don't compare a Versa to a Focus, look at the Fusion.
#1078 of 1273 Re: Repair History? [mschmal]
Jul 20, 2007 (3:39 pm)
thats initial quality. bassed more on manufacturing process and considers all flaws equaly. for exaple, car a has transmission problem, car b has a loose button on the dashboard. both cars have 1 problem.
those studies are usefull, as the do point to quality of manufactur and assembly, but says nothing about how that car will be in 3, 5, or 10 years. those would be long term reliability studies. and ford doesn't fare well in them. but, If the build quality is improving, then that could very well change
and what new and improved engine are you talking about, and why would you cross shop a versa (subcompact) and a fusion (midsize sedan) for? the fusion competes with the altima, malibu, camry ect. Don't tell me ford is selling their focus for more than the fusion
#1079 of 1273 Re: Repair History?
Jul 20, 2007 (4:05 pm)
and why would you cross shop a versa (subcompact) and a fusion (midsize sedan) for?
That's easy. The government considers the Versa a midsize based solely on interior volume. The Versa is one good size cabin.
Yep. J.D. Power is a joke. Basing a buying decision on J.D. is a good way to shot oneself in the foot. Their criteria isn't meant to inform the end user.
#1080 of 1273 Re: Repair History? [mschmal]
Jul 21, 2007 (2:07 am)
Actually I like the Focus, and the way it looks. However, given the fact that my family has had two bad experinces with Ford. And the fact that the Focus is the most recalled car in recent history and some of thoose recalls were SCARY....like brakes.
Even if they fixed the problems, the Focus messages board is still full of issuses some very recent! Basicaly I could not buy a Focus and sleep well at night with the descion. And I really don't care about the warrenty, if I have got to waste time in a dealer getting something fixed arguing with said dealer about what it covers. So the Focus was out of the running for me personally.
I was worried about the Vera since it is a new car to the U.S. market but it looks like the worry was missplaced.
There were some build quility issuses on the versa like air bag cover popped up which were correted early.
There were some very minor things like the TPMS being a bit too sensative and a brake cap that lacked a required warning but that is about it.
And none of thoose issuses affected me and my sedan that I bought in Febuary.
Given the fact that the car was released in July the few things that were bad were fixed pretty darned fast.
This is a great contrast to the Tempo my mom owned. The air conditioning system on the Tempo failed every summer(and a couple of time again before the end of summer).
Although the dealer would try to fix it. It never stayed fixed. I have only had the car since febuary and yet I have not needed to see a dealer to fix something....something the Tempo didn't achive it's first year. I hope that the Versa is as realiable as my Trecel was but so far so good.
#1081 of 1273 OH so now its LONG TERM reliability.
Jul 21, 2007 (7:18 am)
Well the most recent JD Power Vehicle Dependability Study from 2006 which measures problems after 3 years puts Nissan at 21st place with 242 problems per 100 vehicles and well off the average of 227.
Ford came in above average at 224 and Mercury came in 2nd with 151! Toyota was 5th with 179. Yes, thats 18% more problems in a 3 year old Toyota vs. a 3 year old Mercury.
I'm not trying to bash Nissan or the Versa in general. I am just trying to keep conversation about the strenghts and weakness of Versa as a car and not about how bad american cars are.
There are no recalls on 2005 to 2007 Focus.
As for whether the Power tests mean anything, I think that the difference between brands is significate.
#1082 of 1273 OH so now its LONG TERM reliability. by mschmal
Jul 21, 2007 (8:05 am)
"As for whether the Power tests mean anything, I think that the difference between brands is significate."
It's what/how J.D. measures that's at issue. GIGO. Garbage in, garbage out. J.D.'s customers are the auto companies. They need to tailor their data to make it appealing to their customers. They do that extremely well.
#1083 of 1273 Re: OH so now its LONG TERM reliability. [mschmal]
Jul 21, 2007 (10:04 am)
I wouldn't consider 3 years "long term", and once again, it does not address the types of problems, or cost of repair. the best indication of the long term quality of a car is in its resale value.
Ford is deffinitly on the right track, but only time will tell. So far ford is doing very well in both inital and 3 year reliablitly. If, the cars also hold up well after 5-10 years, ford may once again be able to challenge the asian companies.
But, that particular reliablity study was conducted on 2002 year vehicles, across all vehicle classes, not a particular vehicle, or vehicle class. I would suspect the focus is well below FoMoCo's average as a company.
nissan has redesigned all its vehicles since then, and the versa was 5 years away from comming out.
Jul 21, 2007 (10:43 am)
lets see, 242 vs. 227 per 100.
That means if you had 100 cars, only 15 more would have a problem.
Or on a particular car, it you have .15 more problems!
What I am getting at is that just because a brand is farther down the list, doesn't mean that it is unreliable in abstract terms.
#1085 of 1273 Re: stats [stickguy]
Jul 21, 2007 (12:10 pm)
more importantly, it doesn't say anything about what kind of problems. say the focus for example, has two relativly minor problems. say a misaligned headlight, and window switch. Now, lets say the versa has one problem, the engine leaks oil and looses 2 quarts a week. according to the reliability ratings, the versa is a better car becase it only had 1/2 the problems of focus. despite the fact the problem with the versa makes the car undriveable and costs 50x as much to fix.
I'm not badmouthing ford, they've made enormous improvements in quality, and are finnaly begging to match (or even exceed) that of their asin competition. Just don't read too much into those relability ratings, they only tell 1/10th of the story.
#1086 of 1273 You are reading it wrong.
Jul 23, 2007 (10:27 am)
its problems per 100 cars.
on average each Nissan had 24.2 problems over the 3 years.
A problem is anything a customer dislikes enough to report. The mechanical failure, "Bad" fuel economy, cheap feel to the knobs, whatever.
It is important to car makers because it measures how well that car maker is meeting the expectations of its customers as well as how reliable the cars are.