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Ford Edge, Wagon, SUV
Aug 26, 2007 (8:26 am)
There are some color changes for the worse if you ask me for 2008 so If you are thinking about this car, and you like the following colors:
These colors are going away.
A couple of nice changes. 20 inch wheels will be available on the Limited (Limited is just a renamed SEL +). Also Ford's Synch will be available. www.synchmyride.com
On the down side, Synch is a limited order option and since it is standard on the Limited, the Limiteds are going to be in short supply.
LEAVE it to the morons at Ford to come up with a great new EXCLUSIVE feature then limit its availability. First it was the Vista Roof, now its Synch.
#1327 of 1442 Re: Edge test drive [akirby]
Aug 26, 2007 (10:11 am)
Yeah, when these vehicles were first announced I thought that the Lincoln would be right up my alley, but I really don't like the grille on the Lincoln at all; there's something "80's Chysler minivan" about it that I can't get past. I haven't seen the MKX's interior in person, but I'm a bit lukewarm on the retro shapes, and from what I read (I know...drive one!) the materials are still not up to snuff with other vehicles in the same price range. Overall I just don't think the MKX is worth the extra $$$, but it does have some very nice options. I think Ford needs to finally treat Lincoln like a real brand and give it unique powertrain options. All of the other premium brands give you a power increase (among other things) over the more mainstream versions, but Lincoln mostly tries to get by with just adding more goodies on the inside. Hopefully this improves in the future.
Anyway, the Edge is still in the running. I'm shifting my focus away from slightly used "premium" SUV's like the X5 and more toward new vehicles in the Edge's category. I'll be checking out the new Toyota Highlander, which seems impressive. Looks pretty "generic Japanese SUV" to me, but has a lot going for it. I have high hopes for Ford Sync, which might sway me as well.
I've arrived at the opinion that once you leave the Edge's general price range, you quickly reach the point of diminishing returns as far as what you get for your money. Not that there aren't some nice cars in the higher ranges, but I generally believe you pay a lot more for modest upgrades, and sometimes the downsides are surprising. I drove a 55K Audi Q7 just to get it out of my system and while it had an impeccable interior and a nice on board computer (no NAV in this car) I couldn't really see much to justify the extra 20K. It was also just sort of weird and big, but not terribly big on the inside. Anyway, I digress, but suffice it to say I put that one in the underwhelming category too.
#1328 of 1442 Re: Edge test drive [frizz2112]
Aug 26, 2007 (11:06 am)
I enjoy your perspectives on the different options presented to us the buying public. On the MKX, I laughed because my wife thinks the same as you...and to think that because it was a bit upscale she would like it more...well she just plain hates it. The EDGE as of now is the winner for us,the Highlander,well nice, but here in the northeast (I don't know where you are) the TOYOTA dealers think that since it is a Toyota no negotiations..at least most of them..I know someone will dispute this but that has been my expirience (maybe a few hundred dollars off,of course depending on the model)...
Good luck to you and let us know your final decision...mine for the money is going to be an EDGE 2008
#1329 of 1442 Re: Edge test drive [svofan2]
Aug 26, 2007 (2:47 pm)
Yeah, that is my experience with Toyota as well, and I'm also in the northeast. We bought an '04 Sienna and got a few hundred bucks off and that was it. The Ford dealer threw something like 6K at us trying to get us to take a Freestar, but unfortunately the Sienna was so much better that even the massive cost difference didn't matter. I'm sure with the Highlander getting good reviews and being brand new that they're going to go close to sticker, especially for the loaded ones that I tend to go for. Ford seems to be dealing on Edges, so that will certainly be a factor. I'm thinking an '08 Edge is the front runner for me as well.
The Edge reminds me a bit of the Explorer several years ago. It wasn't the best at any category, but was good at a lot of different things. I don't think I ever saw it win a single magazine comparison, yet they sold like mad for years. I think the Edge is in the same ballpark.
An interesting anecdote: The Ford salesman I dealt with claimed he hadn't lost a single sale to BMW X5's. Whenever people say they are also looking at X5's he has them bring the X5 to his lot for a side by side comparison. He said people always end up liking the Edge better and wondering why the X5 costs so much. Obviously you have to take this with a grain of salt since it came from a Ford salesman, but it was my EXACT experience comparing the two vehicles.
#1330 of 1442 Re: Edge test drive [frizz2112]
Aug 26, 2007 (4:09 pm)
I think your comparisons and ideas are the same as mine...my daughter's neighbor is a higher up in BMW and he can not even get me a good deal...forget about a good deal a decent deal to me would have been enough...dealers are not willing to negotiate, but then I don't want to travel 100 miles for a good deal....the Toyotas well you said it best...and the EDGE I can get x-plan which is a few dollars below dealer's invoice...
#1331 of 1442 Re: Edge test drive [svofan2]
Aug 27, 2007 (10:52 am)
Just drove an '08 Highlander. Very nice vehicle, no doubt about it. Still, it seemed a little bit bland as far as driving dynamics go. Toyotas all seem like that to me; can't find anything major wrong with them, but tough to find anything to get excited about. The Edge seemed at least as quiet, and definitely seemed to handle road imperfections better. The Edge also has a weightier steering feel which I like. The Highlander does have an impressively large back seat and a third row option, but that's not a necessity for me (although I'd take it.)
I had to laugh; after my little rant here about hard plastics, the Highlander's dash and all but a small strip on the door inserts was... hard plastic. Strange, since my '04 Sienna has many more soft touch surfaces, and this was a Highlander Limited. Maybe I need to get over it. Still, Toyota does a good job making the interior feel upscale, an impression I didn't get in the Edge, although I think the darker Edge interiors look a lot better than the beige interior in the one I drove.
As expected, there was no wiggle room on the Highlander Limited's price; $38,000 take it or leave it. That alone would sway me towards the Edge, which can be had fully loaded in the low 30's once you take into account incentives and dealer discounting.
Anyway, the Highlander is an excellent vehicle, and they will sell a pile of them. I'm leaning towards the Edge as it has more personality both in how it looks and how it drives, and seems a bit more compact (at least lengthwise,) although I haven't verified this yet with stats.
Just thought I'd share in case there's others out there thinking about the same vehicles.
#1332 of 1442 Re: Edge test drive [frizz2112]
Aug 27, 2007 (11:15 am)
i've enjoyed your comments on reviewing all the suv's out there, or cuv's whatever they're calling an suv now.
but I also have to agree with you about the Highlander, lots of people praise Toyota and bash Ford, when for the most part the plastics are probably from the same supplier! I do agree that the coloring of the plastics definitely could be upped on the Edge. I did also test drive the Edge, and I found it to be surprisingly comfortable.
How did you feel about the braking distance? I've heard bad things about it, but I test drove it, it stopped as soon as I wanted it to.
One thing I will say, I think Ford has finally had a major wake up call and are letting their designers do their job instead of bean-counters calling the shots. The seats in the Edge have to be, no.. ARE the best seats Ford has EVER had! People have to go sit in this to see what I'm saying!
#1333 of 1442 Re: Edge test drive [mark19]
Aug 27, 2007 (11:49 am)
I actually had a semi panic stop on my test drive of the Edge. I was going at a pretty good clip through some twisty/ hilly backroads, and came up over a hill to see a limo over on the side of the road and blocking most of my lane. It wasn't a near crash or anything, but I got on the brakes hard going downhill and I didn't feel like that the stopping distance was overly long. The vehicle is heavy and you can feel the weight, but the brakes seemed fine to me. There's no doubt the braking distances on the Edge are a bit long compared to much of the competition, but I think people worrying about hurtling into accidents they would normally avoid can rest assured that they'll be fine. My Passat W8 stops a whole lot better than my Sienna minivan, but it's not like I'm always rear ending people whn I drive the Sienna. You just naturally compensate a bit and you're fine (not that I wouldn't like to see Ford shorted that stopiing distance.)
I'm totally with you on the seats; best car seats I've ever been in, bar none. They made the X5 seats seem like a plastic grade school seat in comparison, and even made the good seats in the Highlander seem second rate. Ford is far from perfect but they have really nailed some things on the Edge. I am as big a skeptic/ critic as there is but I am puzzled as to how the automotive media seems to be lukewarm on this car.
#1334 of 1442 Re: Edge test drive [mark19]
Aug 27, 2007 (11:52 am)
I believe that you 2 are right on the money,maybe I feel this way because you are both expressing my thoughts. Toyotas always ran on their reputation but as of lately I have been reading that they are not what they used to be..they are good but they have recalls and horror stories as anyone else,maybe not as much, but....
I agree that EDGE could have a little more pzzazz on the dashboard,but I must say that the dealer that I do business with (personal friends) thay had one EDGE SEL+ with avery nice wood dash that really dressed the inside and it didi impresses me. This kit was only the dash and 4 covers for the doors where the lock and window switches are..(no not one of those kids that bring 267 pieces and practically you cover evrything including...well never mind..you know what I mean). I was never big on them but this one I really like and probably (unless the wife opposes) install it on the futeure EDGE.
Justa piece of info for 08 the LIMITED AWD will be on short supply or as they say "high risk" since the sync and the roof are hot items in short supply for the time being...so lets get ready to wait a while if that is what you guys want..
#1335 of 1442 Re: Edge test drive [svofan2]
Aug 27, 2007 (12:36 pm)
I think Toyota makes good cars, don't get me wrong, they just make a certain type of car that doesn't appeal to me all that much even though they are very well made and well thought out. Toyota may sometimes get the benefit of the doubt due to their reputation, but we have to remember they earned that reputation by making very reliable cars for decades without a hiccup. Those of us who follow Ford closely know they have competitive quality now, but that's a tough sell to someone who got burned by a crappy Ford in the past.
I think the Edge is exactly how Ford needs to compete in a lot of ways. Forget about trying to out Toyota Toyota. Match or beat them in quality and make your cars more interesting and less watered down for the masses. The thing is, they'll have to do that for decades for it to truly effect their reputation, but these days they have to do it or they'll die.