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#1241 of 1442 Ford EDGE automatic transmission - question
Apr 18, 2007 (7:27 am)
We've purchased a new 2007 Ford EDGE (non-AWD) and LOVE it. We shopped what we consider to be all the competitive models and found it to be the best value among the group.
But, I have a question. When sitting on an incline, with the transmission in "D"rive, and with foot off the brake, the vehicle freely coasts backwards with nothing restricting it.
My Ford F150, in the same situation, won't roll backwards when in "D"rive. It does go back about six inches and then kinda locks in place until you hit the gas. This has been my experience with all automatic transmission cars in the past.
So, existing owners, I need your input. Does your vehicle coast backwards when in "D"rive, or do I have a defective transmission? The Ford Service Manager doesn't feel it's an issue. I do.
#1242 of 1442 Re: Ford EDGE automatic transmission - question [lnelsonr]
Apr 18, 2007 (8:43 am)
The only way to tell if it was designed that way is to try a different Edge and see if it behaves the same way. It probably will.
This is a function of the amount of power the engine produces at idle and the stall speed of the torque converter. If the engine produces enough power at idle for the torque converter to begin transferring power to the tranmission, the car will move forward. This is normal on a flat surface - at idle speed the car will move forward if you release the brake. However, if you're on an incline then more power is required to move the vehicle forward (or at least stop it from rolling backwards).
Truck engines are tuned to produce more torque at lower rpm and the torque converter should have a lower stall speed - both of which make the truck less likely to roll backwards at idle speed.
Welcome to the world of higher RPM, lower torque car engines.
#1243 of 1442 Re: Ford Edge sales. [drfill]
Apr 18, 2007 (9:19 am)
Lexus is known for quietness and BMW is known for performance. The fact that the Edge beats them in their respective best in class categories says a lot more than if they just compared the edge to a Murano.
Edge is quieter than a Murano!
Edge is quieter than a Lexus RX350!
Especially since the cars being compared are thousands of dollars more than the edge.
I have no problem with this as long as it's apples to apples (all midsize CUVs). If it's apples to oranges then it gets silly (Fusion handles better than a Mercedes GL e.g.).
#1244 of 1442 Re: Ford EDGE automatic transmission - question [lnelsonr]
Apr 18, 2007 (6:31 pm)
The Edge has a variable displacement ATF pump so anything is possible....
No good reason to have high ATF pressure/volume unless the throttle is open beyond idle, better FE overall to boot.
Apr 19, 2007 (6:04 am)
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#1246 of 1442 Re: Ford Edge sales. [drfill]
Apr 19, 2007 (10:27 pm)
Gotta call ya out on this one. The Edge is #2 in sales in it's class (a hair shy of #1) in it's first month of release without relying on fleet sales and you take it upon yourself to translate that into a bad thing?
The fact is, if the Edge had a Toyota badge on it and the Lexus RX had the Ford badge, you'd be talking the same smack.
Did the vaunted Toyota Tundra make it to #2 in it's class in it's first month of sales? It's not even going to make it to #4 this year.
The Edge has sold well because it is a superior vehicle at a bargain price. Heck, I even bought one. I traded in my BMW for it, by the way, which retired as the car that has caused me the most problems and had the highest cost of ownership of any vehicle I have ever owned.
I'm not real sure what to make of your other comments....
Using old ideas to sell new cars? It would be nice if you pointed out a few of those old ideas. It would be even nicer if you would compare and contrast the old ideas to some new ideas that other companies are using. It's not enough to spout the catch phrase if you have no logic behind it.
Selling against you competition, not your dreams. Another nice catch phrase. I take it you think that Ford should target Hyundai as competition and that no one in their right mind would purchase a Ford when there are plenty of BMWs and Lexi to be had. I have some news for you, sir. I assure you there are many Ford vehicles that cost quite a bit more than some BMWs and Lexi, and some of them sell pretty well. Go to a Ford dealership at your convenience to learn just how much one can spend on a truck if one chooses to do so. Trust me. I own one of them too.
#1247 of 1442 Re: Ford Edge sales. [advequityguy]
Apr 20, 2007 (8:08 am)
You can only wish, as I do, that Ford could/would build a vehicle in the class of the RX. But it is nice that they are leading the pack with the Edge to defeat the industry wide FWD problem with 1-2 second transaxle downshift delay/hesitation via a variable displacement ATF pump.
Now if Ford would just "license" that design aspect, technology, to Honda in exchange for the SH-AWD technology.
#1248 of 1442 SH-AWD is different how?
Apr 20, 2007 (10:03 am)
SH-AWD is just a marketing ploy. I want to stop this thread before it gets out of hand.
Active All-Wheel Drive (AWD)
Ford Edge is a front-wheel drive vehicle with available All-Wheel Drive (AWD). The All-Wheel Drive system reacts to the driver. It enhances the level of traction and control in all weather conditions. On the highway, the vehicle is driven by the front wheels for efficiency. When increased handling or traction is required, the AWD system actively controls power to all four wheels independently. This provides a balanced level of control.
• Seamless operation with no switch and totally transparent
• Tuned with an emphasis on performance while offering
all-weather driving confidence
• Constantly predicts traction conditions and delivers torque
to the appropriate wheel by monitoring:
– Vehicle speed
– Throttle input
– Steering angle
– Wheel slip
• Helps eliminate torque steer and helps balance the vehicle
• An active on-demand coupler can deliver the precise
amount of torque to all four wheels even before the wheels
begin to slip
• Because AWD is paired with AdvanceTrac,® Active AWD
can transfer torque to a single wheel with the best traction
Now, go to www.acura.com and read what they say about SH-AWD. Yes they sound like the same thing to me.
#1249 of 1442 Re: Ford Edge sales. [wwest]
Apr 20, 2007 (10:49 am)
Same class as an RX? They need to come out with an overpriced rebadged Toyota? Personally, if I'm speding that kind of jack, it wont be on anything Japaneese. Maybe German, but surely not Japaneese. I just cant bring myself to do it. I just cant let myself look like the typical Japcar jockey.
#1250 of 1442 Re: Ford EDGE automatic transmission - question [lnelsonr]
Apr 26, 2007 (1:11 pm)
I had the same issue!!!. Went back to the dealer and the service tech said it was normal operation and suggested I take out another Edge for comparison, which I haven't done yet. I think it's an issue also. I think Ford should explain before purchase, as the roll back is pretty fast. It really caught me off guard the first time. Almost like driving a standard shift when on an incline. I think Ford has done a poor job in communicating this "normal operation".