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#1224 of 1442 2007 Ford Edge ordering by mschmal

Mar 12, 2007 (12:14 pm)

Here is a public link to the order guide
http://www.fusionunleashed.com/docs/07.edgeorder.pdf
 
Stand alone options for SEL + include: nav, audiophile, reverse sensing, vista roof, roof rail cross bars, all weather floor mats, and tow package You have 3 choices of 18 inch wheels or can stick with the standard 17s.
 
The Trims are a little confusing. The SE is basically a base car and there won't be many out there.
 
SEL is standard with cloth and without auto climate control or heated seats.
 
Most SELs will have the seating flex package,
which includes a power passenger seat, remote 2nd row release, and Leather.
 
An SEL could also have the premium package INSTEAD of the seating flex package. However this car is only about $500 less than the SEL+
Premium package includes Leather, 2 zone auto climate control, heated seats, puddle lamps, memory for mirrors and drivers seat and cabin air filter.
 
SEL + is has both Seating Flex package and Premium package standard.
 
If you want JUST leather, SEL with seating flex package is the way to go. If you want auto climate control and heated seats, just go for the SEL + its a better value than the SEL with optional premium package.
 
Mark.

#1225 of 1442 Re: Pickup truck braking. [lateralg] by wwest

Mar 12, 2007 (2:57 pm)

Replying to: lateralg (Mar 12, 2007 11:26 am)
An ideal anti-lock system would apply the brakes just to the point of ALMOST locking the wheel and then hold them there. Instead the current system predicts that the wheel will soon lock and COMPLETELY releases the brake(s) momentarily.
 
The result is an on-and-off, bang/bang servo function, wherein the average braking is not as optimal as would be with a much more expensive true closed loop feedback servo system.
 
Since there are some instances (many or even most??) wherein your anti-lock system is detrimental to shortest stopping distance it might be best overall to simply disable ABS unless the stability control system (VSC, PSM, etc.) detects that the vehicle is not traveling in the desired direction.
 
I'm of the opinion that high traction braking distances should be published with ABS disabled completely and with it enabled. That way one would know the RAW braking HP available along with just how much of a compromise, or not, the specific ABS design entails.

#1226 of 1442 Re: Pickup truck braking. [wwest] by lateralg

Mar 12, 2007 (5:24 pm)

Replying to: wwest (Mar 12, 2007 2:57 pm)
"I'm of the opinion that high traction braking distances should be published with ABS disabled completely and with it enabled. That way one would know the RAW braking HP available along with just how much of a compromise, or not, the specific ABS design entails."
 
Under what road and load conditions?
 
If this were done, then at least two six several tests need to be run: One with driver only, and one with 4 people and 200# of luggage in the rear. Repeat these two for dry road, and again for wet road, and again for icy road. Repeat for concrete road vs. asphalt. I guarantee that the ABS vehicle would have a MUCH shorter average stopping distance. And, on at least one of the tests, the driver would lose steering control as brake lock-up occurs.
 
"COMPLETELY releases the brake(s) momentarily"
 
Are you sure about this? What's your source? How long is the moment in "momentarily".
 
PLEASE, PLEASE stop the reckless recommendation/implication that people should disable their ABS system.

#1227 of 1442 Re: Pickup truck braking. [lateralg] by wwest

Mar 12, 2007 (6:26 pm)

Replying to: lateralg (Mar 12, 2007 5:24 pm)
"..Under what road and load conditions?.."
 
KISS...!
 
Keep It Simple...
 
Other than ABS on/off why change the way it's currently being done..?
 
"..Are you sure about this?.."
 
ABSOLUTELY.
 
That ~10hz throbbing of the brake pedal is the result of the brake pressure being released/restored to prevent wheel lockup.
 
I have advised a design change in the method of implementation of ABS, not for anyone as an individual to disable same.
 
But...
 
According to the statistical analysis by the IIHS the addition of ABS has had a slight negative effect on overall automotive safety.
 
The purpose of ABS is NOT to help you stop quicker or in a shorter distance but is there to help you maintain control while stopping as quickly as possible otherwise.
 
Tell me what modern, 2004 or newer, ABS equipped vehicle you own and I'll point out to you where this, the above, statement is made in your own owners manual

#1228 of 1442 Edge in the snow? by verdugo

Mar 12, 2007 (9:56 pm)

Hello. Sorry if this quesiton has been answered before, but I searched and nothing came back. I am interested in knowing how it handles in the snow. Of course, I'm not thinking that it will be able to handle any off road. What I'd use it for is to drive to Lake Tahoe to go skiing. It is on major roads, but there can be quite a bit snow on the ground. A couple of weeks ago there was over a foot of snow. On paper, AWD and the 8.4" ground clearance sound pretty good, but I'd love to hear from somebody who has real world experience.
 
TIA
 
A.

#1229 of 1442 Re: Pickup truck braking. [wwest] by lateralg

Mar 12, 2007 (10:32 pm)

Replying to: wwest (Mar 12, 2007 6:26 pm)
"..Under what road and load conditions?.."
  
KISS...! "
 
Driving is not simple. How about addressing the issue I presented?
 
"The purpose of ABS is NOT to help you stop quicker or in a shorter distance but is there to help you maintain control while stopping as quickly as possible otherwise."
 
And this is bad? Maintaining control is not important?
 
Do you maintain that most (more than 50%) of drivers should disable their ABS?

#1230 of 1442 Re: Pickup truck braking. [lateralg] by pnewby

Mar 13, 2007 (6:45 am)

Replying to: lateralg (Mar 12, 2007 10:32 pm)
I think the point was that ABS systems do result in longer stopping distances in many cases for "expert" drivers. ABS is good for "amateur or incompetent" drivers, (in which group I likely belong). I have seen the studies that say ABS is detrimental in many cases, but for the majority of us less than perfect drivers, is likely a good thing. Even on conditions such as deep snow or gravel roads, it can make the distances longer. ABS does away with the build up of snow or gravel in front of the wheel, but true, on ice it will help as much as possible, but the end result on such a surface probably isn't going to be too different. I truly believe AWD and stability control are the major items that can help in avoiding an accident, and yes, I am aware that SC uses the ABS as part of it's package.
  I just don't think the braking difference in the tests you have raved about would make that much difference in overall safety of the vehicle. I still prefer to look at the NHTSA and IIHS ratings when making that decision. Saw an Audi run a red light yesterday, swerve to miss a car, and flip, then hit a light pole while upside down, and I'll guarantee he was in a vehicle with great stopping distances. Luckily the cabin remained intact, and he could walk to the ambulance for the trip to be checked out.

#1231 of 1442 Re: Pickup truck braking. [pnewby] by lateralg

Mar 13, 2007 (8:51 am)

Replying to: pnewby (Mar 13, 2007 6:45 am)
"I have seen the studies that say ABS is detrimental in many cases ..."
 
Please provide the sources of this claim.
 
Actually, the inverse is true. A non-ABS vehicle will have an advantage under one, or just a very few pavement, weather, and vehicle load-distribution combinations. Operate outside this narrow band of parameters and ABS has a clear and very significant safety advantage.
 
Consider that ABS was outlawed on F1 racing cars because it's considered a drivers' aid, making it too easy for all drivers to brake equally. In nearly every current-day race, a F1 car will crash due to brake lock-up. These are crashes that would be avoided by ABS. I suspect that these drivers are a bit more skilled than the best of America's highway drivers. And they don't have to deal with very large front-to-rear weight distribution (load) changes.
 
Could today's ABS systems be improved? You bet! And it's my bet that improved systems are already being evaluated.
 
" I just don't think the braking difference in the tests you have raved about..."
 
Please direct me to the post where I did the raving.

#1232 of 1442 ABS by mschmal

Mar 13, 2007 (11:39 am)

ABS is going to be mandatory as a result of the mandatory ESC requirement.
 
Ford stated previously it will meet the ESC requirement by 2009 model year prior to the 2012 deadline.
 
Wheter you like ABS or not, its coming.
 
Mark.

#1233 of 1442 Re: Edge in the snow? [verdugo] by dryland305

Mar 13, 2007 (6:33 pm)

Replying to: verdugo (Mar 12, 2007 9:56 pm)
verdugo:
 
I thought I'd read a few positive comments about how the Edge handled in the snow, but could only find a brief mention of it here.
 
You might find out more information at these sites - fordedgeforum.com or blueovalforums.com. Good luck.

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