Last post on Oct 15, 2008 at 2:06 PM
You are in the Ford Edge
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Ford Edge, Wagon, SUV
#1123 of 1442 Re: Disappointed [frizz2112]
Feb 12, 2007 (11:12 am)
There is no longer any denying that the Edge has a significant disadvantage in breaking.
I expect the Edge to be as reliable as the Fusion which means it is not likely to break.
Seriously though, it looks like Ford did the same thing with the Edge that it did with the Fusion - engineer to a price point $2K less than the competition (in this case the Murano). This requires compromises in some areas. Note this was done prior to the new regime and I don't think you'll see that going forward.
I've heard from one of the engineers that they're switching to Michelins for 2008 and that should improve the braking.
#1124 of 1442 Re: Why go MKX over Edge? [cole]
Feb 12, 2007 (11:25 am)
I just can't believe that they market it as power fold seats.
Where did you see them listed as "power fold seats"? Ford calls it the "EasyFold™ remote second row seat-back release" on their site. If you ask me both say that the folding action is power activated and has nothing to do with the action of retracting them to their upright positions.
The system in the Expedition, Explorer and some others is called the "3rd Row PowerFold™ seat" and they do go up and down with the touch of a button. Ironically, that name doesn't tell me that it folds them back up either but the two names are definitely different.
#1125 of 1442 I am by no means....
Feb 12, 2007 (11:31 am)
In Ford's "corner" on this.
The "job" of the ABS ECU firmware is to detect impending wheel lock-up (it doesn't wait for the wheel to actually "lock", it "looks" at the rate at which the tire is slowing toward lock) during braking as early as is feasibly possible given current technological product availability and cost.
Ideally ABS could use a linear servo system but due to current product COST limitations it must use a "bang-bang", PWM, Pulse-Width Modulation,type servo loop.
Another cost related compromise.
There are so many variables, roadbed type, roadbed condition, tire adhesions, etc, etc, etc, involved in this it is incomprehensible for most of us to get our minds around the problem.
If you read up on current information in this subject you will find while that is sometimes the result, ABS is NOT designed into these systems as an aid in stopping quicker or in a shorter distance.
It is there SOLELY to help you maintain directional control, allow you to provide stearing inputs if needed, and/or prevent under/overstearing during severe or hard braking where otherwise you might lose control due to brake induced lockup.
VSC can detect the onset of skidding, overstearing or understearing, and react with corrective measures, long before your own seat-of-the-pants sensor will.
So why not delay the onset of ABS activation until these is an impending or actual need for it as an aid to maintaining directional control?
#1126 of 1442 Don't get me wrong...
Feb 12, 2007 (2:11 pm)
I basically like the Edge. I think it would be a great fit for the type of vehicle that I want. I think it is packaged well, but a little too pricy in my opinion for what it is. If I could get one at 2k off MSPR I would probably be willing to buy one. However, the braking performance is a deal breaker for me. Even if you have to cut corners on cost, you SHOULD NOT compramise the brakes...
If Ford would fix the brakes, I would go ahead and buy one. I am just not willing to pay $3x,000 for a vehicle with questionable braking. I suspect that it would cost up to $2,000 in aftermarket parts to upgrade the brakes to a level where I would feel comfortable... ( more if you have to replace the tires ) However, I doubt Ford is going to be willing to knock 4K off of MSRP for me to justify buying one and fix the brakes myself....
And for you guys who defend Ford on this issue, you will be happy to know that this will by my last post on the brakes...
#1127 of 1442 Re: Don't get me wrong... [sranger]
Feb 12, 2007 (2:37 pm)
What we're saying is that while we may be slightly disappointed and the braking should be better, it's not a deal breaker for most of us. Now remember that promise....
#1128 of 1442 Re: I am by no means.... [wwest]
Feb 12, 2007 (7:44 pm)
"It is there SOLELY to help you maintain directional control, allow you to provide stearing inputs if needed, and/or prevent under/overstearing during severe or hard braking where otherwise you might lose control due to brake induced lockup."
#1129 of 1442 Re: I am by no means.... [lateralg]
Feb 12, 2007 (9:17 pm)
Hmm... do I believe the guy who has an engineering degree and who made his living working on brake systems or the guy who can't spell "steering"?
#1130 of 1442 Re: I am by no means.... [akirby]
Feb 12, 2007 (10:27 pm)
or the guy who can't spell "steering"?
I'd go with the engineer - but only if he can spell the word "competitive."
The import lovers just can't bring themselves to believe (or admit) that the domestics have competetive vehicles now. ( akirby, "2007 Ford Edge" #1090, 6 Feb 2007 10:38 am )
Sorry - I just could not resist.
#1131 of 1442 Re: I am by no means.... [tidester]
Feb 13, 2007 (7:08 am)
I can take it as well as I can dish it out. Touche!
#1132 of 1442 Re: I am by no means.... [akirby]
Feb 13, 2007 (1:21 pm)
It brakes my heart to hear this.