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#147 of 166 Re: Richie... [steve_] by blkhemi Jun 10, 2006 (9:21 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Jun 09, 2006 8:06 pm) Very interesting little toy. 0-60 im 2.9 secs? That's fast. something that neither the SRT nor the Turbo S could do.... As a matter of fact, I think the Bugatti Veyron(1.2mil) had better watch out for this little monster because it ties its 2.9 time.
#148 of 166 Re: Richie... [blkhemi] by rich545 Jun 11, 2006 (7:59 am)
Replying to: blkhemi (Jun 09, 2006 4:36 pm) I'm not trying to discount you. You do that just fine yourself without any help by not responding to specific points I raised, but instead making personal attacks. When you're ready to debate this in a more reasonable manner let me know. Until then it's not worth it.
#149 of 166 A couple of problems with rich545's post #141 by 2002svtf150 Jun 11, 2006 (9:37 am)
See post #150 below for the message. I'm not sure why the double post happened and am unable to delete it for some reason.
#150 of 166 A couple of problems with rich545's post #141 by 2002svtf150 Jun 11, 2006 (10:09 am)
My opinion:   (1) Rich stated "I find it ridiculous we feel need to name engines here"   The 6.1 isn't named "Hemi", it is a hemi, it's also referred to as a V8, does that offend you as well?. Do you find it ridiculous that Porsche refers to the engine in the Cay TT as a "Turbo"? I bet not since it is a turbo.     (2) Rich stated "Frankly the Hemi is a dinosaur compared to Porsche's engines."   The 6.1 HEMI uses the latest technological advances coupled with proven mechanical simplicity to accomplish performance comparable to the best Europe or Asia has to offer. Yes, it's displacement is greater than Porsches fabulous 4.5 TT, but it requires far less mechanical complexity & expense to achieve the same results. To refer to the 6.1 as a dinosaur is "EuroSnobbery". DCX has chosen a different mechanical direction for the 6.1 but is no less technologically advanced.   PS: I'm a Poschephile myself, currently owning two, a Boxster & a 911 and feel they possess possibly the finest automotive engineering division on the planet. I do however feel they dropped the ball with the Cayenne. To get back in the game Porsche needs to develop an On-Road Cay TT that discards the "pork" added to the Cayenne platform necessary for off-roading that 99.9% of Cayenne's will never be exposed to. If they did this it would: (A) drop 4-500 lb's, (B) still be goofy looking, (C) reduce the price a few $K, and (D) perform as many of the Porsche faithful hoped it would to begin with. Replies to this message: rich545 (Jun 11, 2006 10:45 am) steve_ (Jun 11, 2006 12:56 pm) blkhemi (Jun 11, 2006 4:47 pm)
#151 of 166 Re: A couple of problems with rich545's post #141 [2002svtf150] by rich545 Jun 11, 2006 (10:45 am)
Replying to: 2002svtf150 (Jun 11, 2006 10:09 am) Doesn't HEMI stand for hemispherical head? There is definitely some feeling out there that this engine design is somewhat dated. I'm not offended by it at all, but the marketing for the engine is annoying without a doubt. A far as producing an on-road only Cay TT where's the challenge in that? It doesn't take much in the way of impressive engineering to produce a fast, single purpose on-road truck. Porsche wanted to design an SUV with great on AND off-road capabilities. Will Cayenne owners off-road with it much? Nope, but most people that own cars that go 160 mph won't go that fast either. The Porsche faithful were just mad that Porsche built an SUV at all. It had NOTHING to do with performance. With regards to how it looks, I'd be willing to bet that if you parked a Cayenne and Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8 next to each other and asked 10 people that owned neither which was more attractive, at least 8 would pick the Cayenne. I know that everytime I get my Cayenne washed people comment on what a great looking truck it is. Most think it looks like a a big 911. Replies to this message: steve_ (Jun 11, 2006 12:56 pm) blkhemi (Jun 11, 2006 4:47 pm)
#152 of 166 Re: A couple of problems with rich545's post #141 [rich545] by steve_ HOST Jun 11, 2006 (12:56 pm)
Replying to: rich545 (Jun 11, 2006 10:45 am) Hemi is short for hemisphere; in engines it means the combustion chamber is hemispherical. Hemi is also a trademark of DC, but lots of companies have used the hemi design in their engines, including (drum roll....) Porsche beginning with the 911 back in '64 - per Wikipedia anyway.   Lots of people hashed it out in the Hemi's: any make, any size....What do you think? discussion years ago.   Steve, Host
#153 of 166 Re: A couple of problems with rich545's post #141 [rich545] by blkhemi Jun 11, 2006 (4:47 pm)
Replying to: rich545 (Jun 11, 2006 10:45 am) "... I know that everytime I get my Cayenne washed people comment on what a great looking truck it is. Most think it looks like a big 911.."   That being the case, I know an awesome eye doc who can give them some corrective lenses as they are in desperate need of them. I also have to disagree sharply about the notion that most people will take the style of the Cayenne over the SRT. I'm a member of many clubs, both European and domestic and most people often gripe over the exaggeration of the Cayenne style(nothing like the sleek 911, IMO).   Facts? I addressed your assumption of facts(or lack thereof). You haven't addressed any of mine. Like the Turbo S getting stuck as you bill it as a true "off-roading on-roader". I have more if you need them...   BTW: On naming the engines, why is it that Porsche still says in some of it's marketing campaigns that they're the "only carmaker that has hi-po boxer engines", which really isn't the case as the 300-hp WRX Sti is faster 0-60 than a 911(base)?
#154 of 166 SRT-8 & TBSS test drives by doctyphoon Dec 22, 2006 (3:58 pm)
SRT8:   1. A real head-turner. My college-age daughter described it as "bling-ghetto" and said that was a compliment. 2. The exhaust note is perfect, deep & throaty without droning. 3. The massive torque, combined with the AWD & 5spdAT, is incredible! The drivetrain seems always up on its toes, even compared to my supercharged '03 SVT Cobra and turboed Typhoon. 4. The ride/handling tradeoff is right on the edge. On bad pavement it gives you second thoughts, but on on-ramps its all smiles! 5. This feels like a beast. It feels serious, heavy and brute quick, an unusual combination.   TBSS:   1. Handsome, if unremarkable, appearance. My daughter described it as "easily mistaken for just any other SUV." De-badge it and it would make a great "sleeper!" 2. Strong engine crippled by average transmission. Tranny often seemed confused and sluggish, making the vehicle seem less responsive. Reportedly an aftermarket reprogramming will minimize this some. 3. Felt larger but lighter than the SRT-8. I know it is not, but it felt that way IMHO. 4. Interior had lots of room, but style seemed to be aging & cluttered. Little to distinguish it. 5. Ride felt well controlled but rounded off, it handled broken pavement very well. Some body roll apparent around sharper curves. 6. Feels like a compromise vehicle. My daughter described it as "great if you want a big engine in an ordinary truck." I would not say that, but I think she is correct in ascertaining that it is a more balanced vehicle, good at a lot of things, but perhaps not excelling at any one thing. Again, just one person's opinion, about two great vehicles!
#155 of 166 Porsche vs American Iron by alltorque Jan 10, 2007 (1:14 pm)
Bit late into this but a discussion of the Cayenne versus any Jeep or Chevrolet of comparable type is bound to fail. The Cayenne simply murders the rest in all depts, apart from price. A UK magazine road test from a couple of years ago pitted the Cayenne Turbo S against an Audi RS6 Avant and the Audi was barely keeping up on the twisty stuff. I simply cannot imagine the dinosaur Hemi getting anywhere close to the Porsche unit, (good as Hemi was - in it's day). As for an earlier post saying the Corvette outperforms the 911. On price, yes I guess it does in USA. In all other departments the Corvette is a cart by comparison.   As for the Aerial Atom; now there is a bird of a completely different feather. Totally mental. Just shows what CAN be done with little money and a lot of ingenuity. As an every day driver ? er, no thank you. Replies to this message: tayl0rd (Jan 11, 2007 9:20 am)
#156 of 166 Re: Porsche vs American Iron [alltorque] by tayl0rd Jan 11, 2007 (9:20 am)
Replying to: alltorque (Jan 10, 2007 1:14 pm) Don't read reviews much, eh? The Porsche Cayenne Turbo S and the Grand Cherokee SRT8 are about neck-and-neck in performance. And I think the SRT8 is a little bit quicker, too. About the 911 - Corvette thing, puh-lease!

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