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#137 of 166 Re: Great truck! [rick66] by beetledog Jun 05, 2006 (8:15 pm)
Replying to: rick66 (May 09, 2006 8:16 am) I took delivery on a new SS May 5th and I'm definitely in love! Rick, there is a TSB with a transmission update that will help with your shifting. I had it done to mine about a week after I took delivery. I tow my '72 Nova race car and open trailer without any problems. I do plan to get the Vector tune and CAI. For the price I think the SS is hands down a better deal than the SRT. Replies to this message: blkhemi (Jun 06, 2006 4:50 pm) rich545 (Jun 08, 2006 6:25 am) blkhemi (Jun 08, 2006 2:12 pm) and 1 more...
#138 of 166 Re: Great truck! [beetledog] by blkhemi Jun 06, 2006 (4:50 pm)
Replying to: beetledog (Jun 05, 2006 8:15 pm) For the price, of course the SS is a much better deal than the SRT, especially when you factor in the SS much steeper discounts.   BUT, for all out performance(which is what it's made for), no other SUV can touch the SRT. It scorches all of them, from a 32k TB SS to a $112k Cayenne Turbo S. Congrats on the new SS tho. Replies to this message: rich545 (Jun 08, 2006 6:25 am) blkhemi (Jun 08, 2006 2:12 pm) rich545 (Jun 09, 2006 7:27 am)
#139 of 166 Re: Great truck! [blkhemi] by rich545 Jun 08, 2006 (6:25 am)
Replying to: blkhemi (Jun 06, 2006 4:50 pm) It scorches the Cayenne Turbo S? If you're talking about it being much cheaper that's true, but performance-wise it doesn't. They both hit 60 in under 5 seconds (4.8 of the Cayenne). The Cayenne Turbo S's top speed is 168 mph which the Jeep certainly can't crush. The Porsche has 520 hp and 530 ft. lbs of torque both of which it reaches at relatively low rpms. The SRT has 425 hp and 420 ft. lbs. of torque, and it needs to get up to 6000 rpms to get to its max power (the Cayenne does it at 5,500) and its max torque at 4,800 rpms (the Cayenne hits max torque at 2,750 rpms). Not to mention the fact that the Cayenne tows 7,700 lbs while the Jeep can only tow 3,500 lbs. AND the Cayenne get slightly better mileage (though no performance oriented SUVs are great in this area), has greater range and carries slightly more cargo. SO the only place I see it being close to the Cayenne is in 0-60 times. I couldn't find stats for hihger speeds, but due to the hp and torque differences I'd say the Cayenne would widen the gap as speed increased. Yes, I know the Cayenne weighs more, but obviously the hp and torque make up for it. Not saying the SRT isn't a great truck; dollar-for-dollar it kicks the Cayenne Turbo S's butt, but performance-wise it doesn't. I've also read that the interior of the Jeep has a pretty cheap feeling and look which obviously the Cayenne does not. Were you maybe thinking the regular Cayenne Turbo rather than the Turbo S? The SRT is definitely faster than the regular Turbo while still about $60K cheaper. Replies to this message: blkhemi (Jun 08, 2006 2:12 pm) rich545 (Jun 09, 2006 7:27 am)
#140 of 166 Re: Great truck! [rich545] by blkhemi Jun 08, 2006 (2:12 pm)
Replying to: rich545 (Jun 08, 2006 6:25 am) No sir, I was talking about the Turbo S. Here's why the SRT can even muscle down the S:   It corners better(.88g v. .85) 0-60(4.5 secs v. 4.8) rolling start, 5-60(4.9 v. 5.2) 1/4 mile(12.8 secs v. 13.2 or .4, depending on what you've read) braking(117ft. v. 128ft(blame the blunt weight)   And need a discuss price. But I do have to one up the Porsche, it's resale value is like a vault, it will probably resale close to what it costs new.   But pound for pound, the SRT is just the better all around performer of SUV's. Yes the Porsche has a higher top speed(a whopping 12 miles), but you try maintaining a 5500 pound SUV at those speed, yes even a Porsche. And at it's $112k price point, I can buy 2 3/4 SRT's for it's price of one.   As for the interior, the Jeep is plain as it gets(not horribly so, not like the TB's for instance). But apart from the superb leather seats, the Porsche's interior is just pathetic for it's asking price. Hard plastics abound give the impression of a much cheaper vehicle, much like the spartan interiors of the Porsche cars.   Towing, yes the Jeep's modified suspension cut back towing, and the Porsche tows a healthy 7700 pounds(Something a 330-hp HEMI JGC can do without the turbo's or the 520 hp), but I betcha didn't know the Jeep can carry more on the inside. The Porsche apears big, but the miniscule interior reveals the truth.   Yes for status, the Porsche will be the way to go. But for all-american muscle that crushes Germany's finest(or Austria's), the SRT is it.   BTW: Since when has a mileage estimate of 12/15(Porsche) v. 13/17 been "better". Neither of these vehicles get nowhere close to decent mileage, so for a comparison, I'd probably left that one out. Replies to this message: rich545 (Jun 09, 2006 7:27 am)
#141 of 166 Re: Great truck! [blkhemi] by rich545 Jun 09, 2006 (7:27 am)
Replying to: blkhemi (Jun 08, 2006 2:12 pm) Firstly, let's clear up some points about the Cayenne you have wrong. All of the Cayenne models can tow 7,700 lbs, and that includes the base V6 (which has a modified VW engine in it that produces 250 hp, 229 ft. lbs. of torque). So no, it doesn't need the 520 hp or more importantly the torque of the Turbo S whereas Jeep needs a huge 6.1 liter "HEMI" (I find it ridiculous that we feel the need to name engines here) to tow 4,000 lbs less than a 3.2 liter V6. Frankly, the HEMI is a dinosaur compared to Porsche's engines. I know that the Austria comment was meant as a dig, but I think you ned to research more because only the chassis is made there. The rest of the truck is made at the new factory in Leipzig, Germany (the Carrera GT was also made there). You also have the gas mileage wrong (not that it really matters). The Turbo S gets 16-18 mpg while the Jeep gets 12-15 mpg. It's funny that you discount the 12 mph top-speed difference, but the .3 difference in all of your stats amounts to "crushing" to you. Sorry, but they are well within the margin of error for driver, conditions and tire differences. Basically, the cars are a dead heat for on-road performance (sounds like the Jeep can't touch it off-road though neither is great at this). Also, you have braking wrong. The Jeep needs 125 ft. 60-0. I can't find the Cayenne braking stats, but I'll keep looking (I doubt your figure is accurate). Finally, the interior. Maybe you haven't sat in the Turbo S because it's anything but cheap looking. Here's a couple of shots of one:   http://www.chryslerforum.com/m_3429/tm.htm   I don't know how many sports cars you've looked at, but generally they all have more simple interior designs. The point is that you should pay attention to driving without being distracted by all of the "noise" in lesser car interiors. Look, I know this discussion stirs the pot in terms of German vs. American car design and the whole status thing. The Jeep is an impressive car, I admit that, but it doesn't crush the Cayenne by any means. Yes, it cost less and there are reasons for that (beyond the badge). The fact is though, there aren't likely to be many people that cross-shop these two vehicles. Oh, and you mentioned holding it's value. Now why do you think the Porsche holds it's value much better? Why do you think it offers a 4 year/50,000 mile warranty while the Jeep only offers 3/38K? DId you see that Porsche's just got rated the highest initial quality by JD Powers (Jeep was at 32 well below the industry average)? Did you know that Porsche is the most profitable car company in the world?
#142 of 166 More specs by rich545 Jun 09, 2006 (8:36 am)
Just found on Edmunds that the Cayenne Turbo they tested in 2004 braked 60-0 in 116 feet. I would imagine that the new Turbo S would be able to beat that or at least match it. This is an interesting read too:   http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=109458/pageNumber=1?s- ynpartner=edmunds&pageurl=www.edmunds.com/new/2006/porsche/cayenne/100684771/roa- dtestarticle.html&articleId=109458 Replies to this message: rich545 (Jun 09, 2006 9:04 am) 06blksrt8 (Jun 09, 2006 9:40 am)
#143 of 166 Re: More specs [rich545] by rich545 Jun 09, 2006 (9:04 am)
Replying to: rich545 (Jun 09, 2006 8:36 am) Actually, in Motor Trends test they stopped 60-0 in 112 ft. in the straight Turbo. Also I doubt your 1/4 mile stat is right. The Turbo did it in 13.79 seconds, and given the hp difference with the Turbo S I doubt it would only be .3 or .5 seconds faster. Can't find the stat anywhere though. Where did you get 13.2 or 13.4? Car and Driver had 13.5 for the Turbo (not Turbo S) BTW. One correction: the Turbo S get 13-18 mpg not 16-18. Replies to this message: 06blksrt8 (Jun 09, 2006 9:40 am)
#144 of 166 Re: More specs [rich545] by 06blksrt8 Jun 09, 2006 (9:40 am)
Replying to: rich545 (Jun 09, 2006 9:04 am) I read someone did it in 13.27, another I saw 13.31. Both cars are tops in their class, but I'd say it's hard to compare the two. Both are beautifully engineered cars. Why can't everyone just get along?!?
#145 of 166 Richie... by blkhemi Jun 09, 2006 (4:36 pm)
I know that you're trying to discount me, but the truth of the matter is that the Porsche is just another attack on American iron and it fails, yet again(much in the way the 911 does with Vette.)   Most of the stats I got on the Porsche came from their own website and several European mags, you know the unbiased ones.   Both of these vehicles have hugely conservatively rated numbers, but judging from a person who actually owns one(do you own a Turbo S, or any Cayenne for that matter?), I know the Jeep has the upper hand on most numbers. Call it as you may, the Turbo S is a very nice piece of machinery. And speaking of JDP, isn't the Cayenne the model that dragged Porsche down last year? And remember, this was an IQS study, lets see what happens when those diffs pop loose as they're doing VW Touaregs as of know.   Did you mention noise? I'm sorry that I enjoy the hearing the roar of my engine and note the gear whine the S puts out(oh that's excuseable because it's an off-roader). You know some people like that(ie: most American gearheads.)   And I maintain my point. The interior is unbecoming of a $112k car. My Audi A8 W-12 may have some leather hides left over so that you can cover those plastic armrest/door covers. (And they've bought into the VW/Audi family, wonder if they'll ask for help on the interiors?) Yes Porsche is the most profitable because they're still classified as a "speciallty" maker, not full-line. Yes the Porsche is great off-road, but will it pass a lesser(only $35k) JGC Quadra-Drive II-equipped? NAH. Remember, Jeep is still the only maker to still allow only one wheel to spin for 100% of power if all others are uncapable. Maybe the Turbo S is better in Dubai in the sand dunes, WHOOPS!! Didn't the Turbo S get stuck there in the sand?   Currently, what is Porsche's day-in/day-out availablity on the Cayenne line? 8 days. SRT? - I'll let you guess it.   I don't have to prove to anyone that the Jeep is tops. The Cayenne is what it is, a bloated, cramped, heavy,(IMO, not the best looker around), but very fast and very $$$ vehicle.   BTW: with my Brembo brake upgrade, my SRT stops in 105ft., better than say, a 911(S,4S,Turbo,GT3)/Cayman/Boxster(S), oh yeah, Cayenne(all models). And I didn't "discount" the top-speeds, but really, a 5500 pound SUV going 168 mph safely, comfortably. Highly doubtful. DCX was smart at giving the SRT a 155 mph limiter, but believe me, It will go much further. The only demerit I can see with my SRT is that it's in need of a 6th gear, but other than that, it's still tops. Replies to this message: steve_ (Jun 09, 2006 8:06 pm) blkhemi (Jun 10, 2006 9:21 am) rich545 (Jun 11, 2006 7:59 am)
#146 of 166 Re: Richie... [blkhemi] by steve_ HOST Jun 09, 2006 (8:06 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Jun 09, 2006 4:36 pm) I wonder how either would stack up against the Ariel Atom (ok, fewer amenities but still).   Hilarious video for your weekend:   dugg's CarSpace (go to the bottom of the page)   Steve, Host Replies to this message: blkhemi (Jun 10, 2006 9:21 am)

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