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Mercedes-Benz R-Class Lease Questions

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Re: 2008 R Class money factor [mjf415] by irishrogue1
Oct 21, 2008 (7:01 am)
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Replying to: mjf415 (Oct 20, 2008 3:34 pm)

if $28,500 is their first offer, that is not a bad place to start....low mileage above avg condition could fetch $26-27k at auction based on prices from Aug/Sept. I m still trying to get late Sept/Oct prices to post....
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Re: 2008 R Class money factor [irishrogue1] by lklein1
Oct 21, 2008 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: irishrogue1 (Oct 21, 2008 7:01 am)

My experience is they won't negotiate from what they tell you and won't let you talk to anyone else to negotiate. If anyone else gets past the price they give, please post how. I think I'm going to have to turn my car in and buy anothe 06 from somewhere else which is a bummer. My husband did find and negotiate an 06 R500 from a Ford dealership for $25,750. It was nice -- 17,000 miles on it, but it didn't have navigation or parking sensors -- 2 things I really like on my car.
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Some thoughts on returning the R350 by cary28
Oct 21, 2008 (11:38 am)
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My 06 R350 lease is ending this month, and I will really miss the luxury and comfort of this truly amazing crossover vehicle. Our family had quite a few road trips, including numerous drives from Northern Cal to San Diego, ski trips to Lake Tahoe, and enjoyable jaunts along the Pacific coastline.
  
The R350 is really a hidden jewel in MB's lineup, and those of us who have lived with this car have learned to appreciate its stellar features. Its a luxury vehicle in the true MB sense(not like the ML/GL SUV class), with a solid body for smooth quiet drives. Ours was loaded to the gills with almost every option, which is what we will really miss after the lease. I still get a kick every time I sit behind the wheel, knowing it is still a unique car that gets a lot of notice on the road.
  
MBF is offering a buyout of around $29K, which includes all tax and fees. I started to negotiate with them, but the agent said they've already taken it down from the original residual, with no more room to go. It is a shame to let it go, since I only have around 19K miles on the odometer. My target is to get them down to under $22K, possibly even $20K, which would make it attractive when I calculate the total lease payment was only around $12K(really low mf and discounts in 2006 for a 27 months lease, and I used 1 pay lease to minimize my out of pocket cost).
  
One concern I have about keeping this car is all the "gadgets" which will increase cost of ownership. I had no idea how expensive MB dealerships are until I paid $700+ for a "B" service, which is nothing more than an oil change with brake fluid recycle and tire rotation, along with the usual inspection and fluid top off.
  
Any comments or suggestions on how to deal with MBF would be appreciated.
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Re: Some thoughts on returning the R350 [cary28] by irishrogue1
Oct 21, 2008 (12:01 pm)
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Replying to: cary28 (Oct 21, 2008 11:38 am)

there clearly continues to be a disconnect with the person or persons at MBF who are authorized to quote reduced buyout prices and actual wholesale auction prices. I do not understand why MBF does not want to sell you that car for a couple thousand over what they should know they will get at auction.... their business model for lease turn ins would make sense if the cars went right to dealers and could be sold at higher retail prices but that doesnt happen here and even if it did, dealers dont want used Rs....
 
It might be helpful to get the best price from MBF to offer cash - if MBF has to finance, they are looking at credit risk and tying up capital that they would rather use for new car sales....
 
I think everyone calling MBF needs to push to speak to someone higher up the food chain than the basic leasing representative. I emailed them for payoff options yesterday from my MBF online account. Ill let you know what I hear when they respond....
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Re: Some thoughts on returning the R350 [irishrogue1] by cary28
Oct 21, 2008 (1:25 pm)
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Replying to: irishrogue1 (Oct 21, 2008 12:01 pm)

The leasing agent told me they've already taken $19K off the original lease reisdual value to arrive at the $26,800 buyout price. The car was fully loaded, and I think the original MSRP was over $65K.
 
Its going to be tough walking away from so many toys built into this car!
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by irishrogue1
Oct 21, 2008 (1:36 pm)
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they are trying to pull one over on you.....yes they already have significantly discounted the residual quite a bit but they KNEW that they were creating situations where the residuals would be much higher than actual market values when they discounted the capitalized cost of the lease by $10-16k 2 yrs ago. dont forget that residual values are based on msrp not the discounted capitalized cost. the reality is that this model didnt sell new and is selling even worse used...we are talking depreciation from msrp of around 60% in 2 years.
 
we need to keep hitting them over the head with auction values...they have to make rational choices at some point....
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Re: [irishrogue1] by mjf415
Oct 21, 2008 (2:44 pm)
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Replying to: irishrogue1 (Oct 21, 2008 1:36 pm)

I called MBF today but they would not give me the October money factors. On Saturday I'm going to a few dealerships to check prices and lease offers. I'll post what happens then.
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How does the transaction take place on a buyout from MBF? by jprescott1
Oct 22, 2008 (4:07 pm)
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Replying to: mjf415 (Oct 21, 2008 2:44 pm)

What's to prevent me from telling them I have 35,000 miles on the car when in fact it's only 20,000? Is there a pre- sale inspection or a mileage check? I guess what I'm asking is how to negotiate the deal by phone with MBF.
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Sept/Oct Wholesale Prices for '06 R500 by irishrogue1
Oct 23, 2008 (5:37 am)
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it looks like $25-26k for an above avg, low mileage, well optioned R500...so MBF SHOULD be quite happy to get $26-28k on a buyout regardless of what how much they have to discount your buyout.
 
06' MB R500
09/22/08 RIVRSIDE Lease $23,750 29,674 Avg PEWTER 8G A Yes
09/22/08 RIVRSIDE Lease $23,250 23,955 Avg PEWTR 8G A Yes
09/22/08 RIVRSIDE Lease $23,250 21,915 Avg PEWTER 8G A Yes
09/22/08 RIVRSIDE Lease $23,000 25,979 Avg IRI SIL 8G A Yes
09/22/08 RIVRSIDE Lease $23,000 21,479 Avg PEWTER 8G A Yes
09/22/08 RIVRSIDE Lease $22,000 36,340 Avg IRI SIL 8G A Yes
09/22/08 RIVRSIDE Lease $22,000 33,519 Avg IRI SIL 8G A Yes
09/22/08 RIVRSIDE Lease $22,000 31,483 Avg BAR RED 8G A Yes
09/22/08 MANHEIM Lease $26,000 17,409 Above IRI SIL 8G T Yes
09/22/08 MANHEIM Lease $25,500 13,095 Above IRI SIL 8G A Yes
09/22/08 MANHEIM Lease $24,750 44,076 Above CPR BLU 8G A Yes
09/22/08 MANHEIM Lease $24,750 30,476 Above IRI SIL 8G A Yes
09/24/08 W PALM Lease $24,500 22,338 Above IRI SIL 8G A Yes
09/25/08 RIVRSIDE Lease $26,750 22,870 Above BLACK 8G A No
09/26/08 MANHEIM Regular $24,000 43,784 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
09/26/08 MANHEIM Regular $23,900 39,491 Avg SILVER 8G A Yes
09/30/08 FAAO Lease $23,500 29,026 Avg ALB WHT 8G A Yes
09/30/08 DFW Lease $26,500 26,554 Above IRI SIL 8G A No
09/30/08 DFW Lease $24,250 28,771 Avg PEWTR 8G A Yes
09/30/08 BIG H Regular $23,900 35,976 Avg WHITE 8G A Yes
10/01/08 SEATTLE Lease $24,750 20,739 Above OBS BLK 8G A Yes
10/01/08 SAN ANTO Regular $25,800 29,676 Above PEWTER 8G A Yes
10/01/08 SAN ANTO Regular $22,500 22,878 Avg TAN 8G A Yes
10/01/08 NASHVILL Lease $24,500 27,550 Above IRI SIL 8G A Yes
10/01/08 NASHVILL Lease $24,000 29,841 Avg PEWTR 8G A Yes
10/01/08 NASHVILL Lease $24,000 21,799 Avg CPR BLU 8G A Yes
10/01/08 NASHVILL Lease $23,750 30,637 Avg IRI SIL 8G A Yes
10/01/08 NASHVILL Lease $23,000 25,408 Avg CPR BLU 8G A Yes
10/01/08 NASHVILL Lease $22,500 32,530 Avg PEWTR 8G A Yes
10/02/08 NEVADA Lease $22,000 42,736 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
10/02/08 MANHEIM Lease $26,750 28,748 Above IRI SIL 8G T No
10/02/08 MANHEIM Lease $25,500 25,406 Above IRI SIL 8G T Yes
10/02/08 MANHEIM Lease $25,500 9,954 Above BAR RED 8G T Yes
10/03/08 MANHEIM Regular $22,750 40,226 Avg SILVER 8G A Yes
10/06/08 AYCOCK Lease $24,600 10,943 Above GOLD 8G A Yes
10/07/08 FAAO Lease $23,250 21,669 Avg CPR BLU 8G A Yes
10/08/08 MILWAUKE Lease $26,000 8,230 Above IRI SIL 8G A Yes
10/08/08 MILWAUKE Lease $24,000 24,820 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
10/08/08 MILWAUKE Lease $23,500 18,408 Avg ALP RAN 8G A Yes
10/08/08 MILWAUKE Lease $23,250 19,430 Avg PEWTR 8G T Yes
10/09/08 RIVRSIDE Lease $23,500 21,213 Avg ALB WHT 8G A Yes
10/09/08 RIVRSIDE Lease $20,750 24,066 Below IRI SIL 8G A No
10/15/08 NADE Regular $23,250 52,005 Avg Black 8G Yes
10/15/08 ATLANTA Lease $23,000 25,163 Avg IRI SIL 8G A Yes
10/15/08 ATLANTA Lease $22,750 28,218 Avg PEWTR 8G A Yes
10/15/08 ATLANTA Lease $22,000 26,480 Avg PEWTR 8G A Yes
10/15/08 ATLANTA Lease $21,500 28,370 Below ALP RAN 8G A Yes
10/16/08 MANHEIM Lease $22,500 22,703 Avg PEWTR 8G T Yes
10/16/08 MANHEIM Lease $21,750 34,684 Below CPR BLU 8G T Yes
10/16/08 MANHEIM Regular $20,100 56,597 Below BLACK 8G Yes
10/16/08 ATLANTA Regular $23,500 19,505 Avg SILVER 8G A Yes
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Re: How does the transaction take place on a buyout from MBF? [jprescott1] by kyfdx HOST
Oct 23, 2008 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: jprescott1 (Oct 22, 2008 4:07 pm)

Usually, when you buy a car, the seller has to fill out an odometer statement. My guess is there might be a fly in the ointment somewhere along the line, if you do indeed purchase the car from them.
 
But.. If I'm negotiating, and am asked for the mileage, I'd just say that it looks like I'll come in just under my allowance, without answering specifically. Maybe, they'd just assume a certain amount. Once you've agreed to a deal, then maybe no one will take notice.
 
But, I certainly wouldn't lie about it. They may be able to extrapolate an approximate amount from your service records. I'd just be coy... and see what happens, first.
 
regards,
kyfdx

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