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Mercedes-Benz R-Class Lease Questions

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Re: 2008 R Class money factor [jprescott1] by irishrogue1
Oct 20, 2008 (2:19 pm)
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Replying to: jprescott1 (Oct 20, 2008 4:22 am)

i m new to this as well....there is "evidence" on this board that MBF has been knocking $10-12k off buyouts on the R to get pricing closer to wholesale numbers. As best I can tell the negotiated #s still seem to be $3-8k over wholesale #s. I think the goal is to shoot for a negotiated buyout that is maybe $1-2k over the highest above avg auction price for such model....i do not understand why MBF would settle for $22k for a car at auction rather than negotiate down from $42k and try to make a few thousand once they realize that they arent going to make $20k when you walk away....
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Re: 2008 R Class money factor [irishrogue1] by mjf415
Oct 20, 2008 (3:34 pm)
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Replying to: irishrogue1 (Oct 20, 2008 2:19 pm)

I don't recall my residual at the time I leased the car, but the original sticker was about $63,500 for my R500 and the negotiated price was around $51,000--they were offering something like $12,000 dealer incentives at that point (November '06). I had a 24 month lease that is coming due in a few weeks. MBF told quoted me a 'special' buyout offer of $28,100 with 24,000 miles on the car. I'm not interested in buying because I expect that depreciation will continue to be pretty severe. We've been happy with the car but maintenance is expensive and will only become more of an issue as the miles add up. I'll call MBF, ask for the '08 money factors, and then post them here.
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Re: 2008 R Class money factor [mjf415] by irishrogue1
Oct 21, 2008 (7:01 am)
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Replying to: mjf415 (Oct 20, 2008 3:34 pm)

if $28,500 is their first offer, that is not a bad place to start....low mileage above avg condition could fetch $26-27k at auction based on prices from Aug/Sept. I m still trying to get late Sept/Oct prices to post....
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Re: 2008 R Class money factor [irishrogue1] by lklein1
Oct 21, 2008 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: irishrogue1 (Oct 21, 2008 7:01 am)

My experience is they won't negotiate from what they tell you and won't let you talk to anyone else to negotiate. If anyone else gets past the price they give, please post how. I think I'm going to have to turn my car in and buy anothe 06 from somewhere else which is a bummer. My husband did find and negotiate an 06 R500 from a Ford dealership for $25,750. It was nice -- 17,000 miles on it, but it didn't have navigation or parking sensors -- 2 things I really like on my car.
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Some thoughts on returning the R350 by cary28
Oct 21, 2008 (11:38 am)
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My 06 R350 lease is ending this month, and I will really miss the luxury and comfort of this truly amazing crossover vehicle. Our family had quite a few road trips, including numerous drives from Northern Cal to San Diego, ski trips to Lake Tahoe, and enjoyable jaunts along the Pacific coastline.
  
The R350 is really a hidden jewel in MB's lineup, and those of us who have lived with this car have learned to appreciate its stellar features. Its a luxury vehicle in the true MB sense(not like the ML/GL SUV class), with a solid body for smooth quiet drives. Ours was loaded to the gills with almost every option, which is what we will really miss after the lease. I still get a kick every time I sit behind the wheel, knowing it is still a unique car that gets a lot of notice on the road.
  
MBF is offering a buyout of around $29K, which includes all tax and fees. I started to negotiate with them, but the agent said they've already taken it down from the original residual, with no more room to go. It is a shame to let it go, since I only have around 19K miles on the odometer. My target is to get them down to under $22K, possibly even $20K, which would make it attractive when I calculate the total lease payment was only around $12K(really low mf and discounts in 2006 for a 27 months lease, and I used 1 pay lease to minimize my out of pocket cost).
  
One concern I have about keeping this car is all the "gadgets" which will increase cost of ownership. I had no idea how expensive MB dealerships are until I paid $700+ for a "B" service, which is nothing more than an oil change with brake fluid recycle and tire rotation, along with the usual inspection and fluid top off.
  
Any comments or suggestions on how to deal with MBF would be appreciated.
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Re: Some thoughts on returning the R350 [cary28] by irishrogue1
Oct 21, 2008 (12:01 pm)
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Replying to: cary28 (Oct 21, 2008 11:38 am)

there clearly continues to be a disconnect with the person or persons at MBF who are authorized to quote reduced buyout prices and actual wholesale auction prices. I do not understand why MBF does not want to sell you that car for a couple thousand over what they should know they will get at auction.... their business model for lease turn ins would make sense if the cars went right to dealers and could be sold at higher retail prices but that doesnt happen here and even if it did, dealers dont want used Rs....
 
It might be helpful to get the best price from MBF to offer cash - if MBF has to finance, they are looking at credit risk and tying up capital that they would rather use for new car sales....
 
I think everyone calling MBF needs to push to speak to someone higher up the food chain than the basic leasing representative. I emailed them for payoff options yesterday from my MBF online account. Ill let you know what I hear when they respond....
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Re: Some thoughts on returning the R350 [irishrogue1] by cary28
Oct 21, 2008 (1:25 pm)
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Replying to: irishrogue1 (Oct 21, 2008 12:01 pm)

The leasing agent told me they've already taken $19K off the original lease reisdual value to arrive at the $26,800 buyout price. The car was fully loaded, and I think the original MSRP was over $65K.
 
Its going to be tough walking away from so many toys built into this car!
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by irishrogue1
Oct 21, 2008 (1:36 pm)
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they are trying to pull one over on you.....yes they already have significantly discounted the residual quite a bit but they KNEW that they were creating situations where the residuals would be much higher than actual market values when they discounted the capitalized cost of the lease by $10-16k 2 yrs ago. dont forget that residual values are based on msrp not the discounted capitalized cost. the reality is that this model didnt sell new and is selling even worse used...we are talking depreciation from msrp of around 60% in 2 years.
 
we need to keep hitting them over the head with auction values...they have to make rational choices at some point....
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Re: [irishrogue1] by mjf415
Oct 21, 2008 (2:44 pm)
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Replying to: irishrogue1 (Oct 21, 2008 1:36 pm)

I called MBF today but they would not give me the October money factors. On Saturday I'm going to a few dealerships to check prices and lease offers. I'll post what happens then.
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How does the transaction take place on a buyout from MBF? by jprescott1
Oct 22, 2008 (4:07 pm)
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Replying to: mjf415 (Oct 21, 2008 2:44 pm)

What's to prevent me from telling them I have 35,000 miles on the car when in fact it's only 20,000? Is there a pre- sale inspection or a mileage check? I guess what I'm asking is how to negotiate the deal by phone with MBF.

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