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Re: Mercedes-Benz R-Class: Lease Questions [kyfdx] by dwws
May 14, 2007 (6:38 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Sep 23, 2005 12:56 pm)

Hi Everyone:
 
I need help as quickly as possible. I looked at the R-350 on Saturday and this is the best deal I could work:
 
R-350
544 Barolo Red
144 Macadamian MB Tex interior
H04 Birdseye trim
P01 Package
R44 17" wheel Package
396 Voice Recognition/CD Changer
530 DVD Navigation
873 Heated Front Seats
 
Subtotal: $50,775
Destination & Delivery: $775
 
Total: $51,550
 
Now, here are the lease details:
 
Tier 2 Credit (BUMMER!)
 
Negotiated Price: $48,895 (He said this was $500 above invoice, but I think it's $900 above)
 
Fees & Insurance: $484
 
Upfront Taxes: $203.08
 
Disposition Fee: $595 (What is this?)
 
Cap Cost Reduction: $5000
 
Miles Per Year: 10,000
 
Lease Term: 33 Months
 
Money Factor: .00055
 
Residual: Total Initial Charges Due At Signing: $6,943.46
 
MONTHLY LEASE PAYMENT: $494
 
I do not know if this is a good deal. I would love to lower both the monthly payment and the Cap Cost Reduction. I would also like 15,000 miles per year. I know that my credit is hurting me, but can I do better? If so, what part of the above deal can I improve? Sale price? Perhaps more options? Leather seats Also, I ***REALLY*** want this car in EVEREST GREEN. The salesman told me (and let me look at the computer) that there were no R350's in that color at all in the Northeast (I'm in New Jersey and this was Mercedes Benz of Princeton). Can I ask him to expand his search to include the entire country, and if so, will it cost me more? He told me that I cannot order it because I would have to order a 2008 vehicle, which would not be ready until probably September.
 
Please help me! I am on a tight budget, but I'd really like to get this car (I am also looking at the ML 350). Any advice that can help me save money would be GREATLY appreciated!!!
 
David in New Jersey
 
PS. I am scheduled to go back to the dealer tomorrow with my wife, so I can take her for a test drive, so please hurry; I'd like to "armed" with as muck knowledge as possible when I go!
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Re: Mercedes-Benz R-Class: Lease Questions [dwws] by dwws
May 14, 2007 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: dwws (May 14, 2007 6:38 am)

Hi again:
 
 I forgot to mention that at first the salesman said they would pay my last monthly payment on mh Hummer H2 (June) but then, after our negotiations, he said that the deal he was giving me was so good that the dealership would not be able to pay my last lease payment. Is this just b.s.?
 
Thanks,
 
David in NJ
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Re: Mercedes-Benz R-Class: Lease Questions [dwws] by sand529
May 14, 2007 (7:16 pm)
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Replying to: dwws (May 14, 2007 6:38 am)

Is the MSRP of the car $51,550? If so the upfront costs seem excessive especially the cap cost reduction of $5,000. And the 33 months is a bit odd? Do u know if you are going through a private bank or through MB Credit. Also are you sure you only qualify for Tier 2 credit? I just leased an R350 and the MSRP was $54,200 and the capitalized cost (selling price) was $49,500 and my monthly payment is 568 and change. The disposition fee is standard from MB credit. Also if you divide the $5,000 cap cost over 33 months, its 151.52 per month, add that to your $494 per month and your at $644.52 per month. I think you can do better, but I dont know the penalty for tier 2 credit. Maybe your wife will qualify for tier 1? Here are may's lease factors from MB credit (tier 1). The money factor you posted above is for tier 1 for 24 months (see below). Something does add up here so I'd investigate a bit more and possibly visit another dealer...
 
2007 R350 4WD Wagon
24 Month – Residual 62% of MSRP – .00055 Base Rate
36 Month – Residual 54% of MSRP – .00100 Base Rate
48 Month – Residual 47% of MSRP – .00100 Base Rate
60 Month – Residual 40% of MSRP – .00370 Base Rate
 
Residuals posted are for 15K miles/year. Add 2% to Residual for 12k mi/yr and 3% for 10k mi/yr on all terms
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Re: Mercedes-Benz R-Class: Lease Questions [dwws] by sand529
May 14, 2007 (7:17 pm)
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Replying to: dwws (May 14, 2007 9:49 am)

Yes its a bunch of B.S. in my opinion. Also when you go back get the following information:
 
MSRP
Cap Cost (with and without cap cost reduction)
Residual Value
Money Factor
 
Post up and someone can run the numbers and let you know if its in line.
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Re: Mercedes-Benz R-Class: Lease Questions [sand529] by dwws
May 14, 2007 (11:04 pm)
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Replying to: sand529 (May 14, 2007 7:16 pm)

Hi sand529:
 
Yes, the MSRP is $51500. The salesman said that Mercedes does not lease for 36 month terms. He said they use 33 months or 39 months. I do not know if that is true, but the advertised offer for May 2007 on the Mercedes Benz website of $489/month for an R350 with P1 package & heated fron seats is for a 33 month lease (with a similar deal of $549/month for an ML350 with P1 package and heated fron seats). Both of those deals require a cap cost reduction; $2750 for the R350 and $2850 for the ML350. Also, He told me that the selling price of $48,895 was $500 above his invoice price, but this afternoon I told him that it seemed to me that it was $900 above his invoice he told me that the $400 difference was some sort of fee that all Mercedes Benz dealers are required to pay when they participate in an advertised lease deal or something like that. I am not happy that I was not told about that fee upfront, because $48,895 is NOT $500 above his cost, it is $900 above. How can I find out if this "fee" is real or just him padding his profit? I also asked if there were any factory-to-dealer incentives or "holdbacks" of any kind and he said no, but I don't know how to find out if he is telling the truth. How long is your lease on your R350? Did you make a cap cost reduction? Also, where did you find the published Mercedes lease factors (residulas & money factors)for Tier 1 credit for May? Is there alist of Tier 2 lease factors? Lastly, How do I know if I only qualify for Tier 2 credit? I know that my credit is not perfect, but the salesman is saying that he is going to try to talk to his business/sales manager and get me "bumped up" to Tier 1 credit; how can he do that? Am I being suckered? I really need to know, because if I am, I will go elsewhere. Any suggestions?
 
Thanks,
 
David in NJ
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2008 Changes/Lease deal by mylt4
May 15, 2007 (5:01 pm)
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Hello, Does anyone want to take a quess on what/how the 2008 is going to be price/packages? I have some time until I have to get out of my current lease but might want to pull the trigger this month (unless some one thinks next months deal would be better)with the good deals out there.
 
Thanks for any help. Mike in NJ.
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CAN I GET AN OPINION ASAP ??? THANKS by fletch58
May 20, 2007 (11:23 am)
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Replying to: mylt4 (May 15, 2007 5:01 pm)

Quote for an R-350 w P1 & PARKTRONIC , 33 mth, 17.5k miles, 3K total out of pocket, $620 plus tax
 
FACTOR IS .00055
COST $46,500
STICKER LIKE $48,760
 
What do you guys think ?
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Re: CAN I GET AN OPINION ASAP ??? THANKS [fletch58] by mylt4
May 22, 2007 (4:26 am)
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Replying to: fletch58 (May 20, 2007 11:23 am)

looks high, what is the resididual with 17.5 K miles?
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Re: Car Man, et al please comment on deal [svrlin] by airsickostrich
Jun 06, 2007 (1:27 pm)
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Replying to: svrlin (Apr 24, 2007 12:17 am)

I got min in May.
07 R350 Pewter / Macadamia interior
P2
DVD entertainment
Petwer paint, upgraded wheels, Lighting package, entertainment package, navigation.....basically fully loaded.
 
MSRP $63000
Paid $57500
CAP COST 51000. (6000 down)
24 months/ 12000 miles
 
$560/month (tax included)
 
I too was wondering on the Wear and tear coverage.
#430 of 740
MF/Resid for June, 33 month lease? by desgnconcpts
Jun 18, 2007 (7:38 am)
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Hello Car_Man,
 
Can you post the "special" 33 month MF and Residual for the R350? 15K miles.
 
Thanks!

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