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#315 of 376 Re: Chick Car reference [glennglenn] by aquaticexplore Aug 31, 2006 (7:29 pm)
Replying to: glennglenn (Aug 30, 2006 3:13 pm) This post resembles the GM attitude for many years to Japanese cars, right up to the point the former was issuing press releases denying that it was going to go bankrupt. Simply put, the GM twins are a good first try. However, the lack of attention to detail is evident to every reviewer of these vehicles. You cannot put a gas tank in the trunk and not expect it to impact usefulness of the cars. There is virtually no storage space in the interior of the cars either. The transmission was pulled right out of a Mack truck, er, Silverado (or whatever). Hard to believe you mentioned weight, since the bigbutt GM twins have it in spades. They pulled the rear recessed (nice time washing them) lights right out of the trailblazer (since it ain't selling). The cornering ability is a joke, as is braking ability. Read C&D or any other to highlight deficiencies of the GM twins. The base engine is bigger yet the car is slower than the 'chick car'. Also, it gets much poorer gas milage and switch gear sucks. You are right that the high end version will beat a miata in a staight line, but the price is outrageously higher too. Mazda will undoubtedly issue a turbo version of the miata which, owing to the bigbutt nature of the twins, will equal or exceed the bigbutts. If you want to boast about a GM product, can we agree the discussion should be limited to the corvette?
#316 of 376 sorry by aquaticexplore Aug 31, 2006 (7:30 pm)
I forgot to talk about the 8th-grade level engineering that went into that soft top on the bigbutt twins.
#319 of 376 The Foresight of GM by glennglenn Sep 01, 2006 (9:31 am)
." If you want to boast about a GM product, can we agree the discussion should be limited to the corvette? "   NO, because 1. Its off topic here and 2. All I'll hear is how great the Skyline or the Twin Turbo Porsche is etc etc.   Granted, its not GM's Best effort BUT why can't the Miata-philes admit that is a good first effort and for the MONEY, the SKY and Solstice are good cars. Sure, they don't currently have the refinement of the Miata, BUT thats a car 17 years (actually 18) in the making and neither was the Miata that great a car when it arrived here in the very early 90s. It rattled, was noisy with top up and down and was underpowered. I won't even go into the host of reliability issues the early cars had. Give GM a break, they are certainly doing a good job with the car.   As to a GM bankruptcy, do you have info we don't because I don't think that will happen? In fact the parent company of Mazda who makes the Miata is certainly in more trouble right now than GM. Companies that live in glass houses should not throw stones. Replies to this message: audia8q (Sep 01, 2006 12:15 pm) aviboy97 (Sep 02, 2006 5:21 am)
#320 of 376 Re: The Foresight of GM [glennglenn] by audia8q Sep 01, 2006 (12:15 pm)
Replying to: glennglenn (Sep 01, 2006 9:31 am) Granted, its not GM's Best effort   Why not? why not build the best you can? Is it because they can't or did they figure they could do some razzle dazzle marketing and the buyers won't know any better? GM doesn't have a corner on that marketing plan, all the domestics are big on dazzle dazzle and little on real quality.   why can't the Miata-philes admit that is a good first effort and for the MONEY, the SKY and Solstice are good cars.   It could very well be a fair first effort but Miata owners don't have to settle with a good first effort, they already have the real deal. We also don't really know if the sky and Solstice are good cars, we won't know for a few years, but if the track record is similar to many other GM products then the sky/solstice will be doomed. Miata owners already know the quality of their car is second to none, again why settle with a maybe?....maybe the GM cars will get better, maybe its a good first effort, maybe it will have good resale values down the road, maybe it will be reliable, maybe it won't have squeeks and rattles down the road, maybe, maybe maybe....The Miata isnt a maybe.
#322 of 376 Re: The Foresight of GM [glennglenn] by aviboy97 Sep 02, 2006 (5:21 am)
Replying to: glennglenn (Sep 01, 2006 9:31 am) Sure, they don't currently have the refinement of the Miata, BUT thats a car 17 years (actually 18) in the making and neither was the Miata that great a car when it arrived here in the very early 90s. It rattled, was noisy with top up and down and was underpowered. I won't even go into the host of reliability issues the early cars had   There was little to no reliability issues with the early Miata. Sure, there was not much power, and a plastic rear window was not too cool, we are talking about 1989 here! But, I still see many in here for oil changes with 200+ thousand miles on them.   I do give GM credit for a first attempt in the roadster market. It has been a success. They should get praise for that.
#323 of 376 Re: Best Motoring review [glennglenn] by carlisimo Sep 04, 2006 (9:17 am)
Replying to: glennglenn (Aug 31, 2006 8:31 am) It wasn't a surprise, after the initial reports of both cars.   Autocrossers quickly discovered that "stock" (which in autoX means "equipped with race tires on stock sized wheels"), the Solstice was faster than the new Miata. (Neither were as fast as the old Miata at the time though.)   The biggest reason for the Solstice's advantage is its larger (wider) wheels. It simply has more grip. In the Miata's defense, the British press reported that Mazda said they didn't want to increase grip from the previous generation, because low grip was part of what made it so much fun. But that doesn't explain why the new Miata doesn't work so well on race tires. According to those same autocrossers, it's because the camber isn't as adjustable as it used to be... it remains to be seen if tuners (or Mazda) can do anything about that.   Still, I'm going to continue to recommend the Miata to anyone who wants a roadster as a daily driver.
#324 of 376 Re: Mazda badddd... [mightymouse197] by ttbuyer Sep 17, 2006 (6:49 pm)
Replying to: mightymouse197 (Aug 09, 2006 1:11 pm) MazdaUSA took great care of me. After I returned my 2002 Miata (at the end of a two year lease) I got a 2004 RX-8. Loved the car, it had some problems (transmission mostly). Mazda bought it back. Very easy. I have since purchased a 2001 Miata Special Edition (used). Mazda makes a great product and stand behind them when there is a problem. I'll probably buy a CX-7 when my wife's Jeep Liberty needs replacing. BTW the Liberty has been rock-solid reliable too.

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