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Pontiac Solstice vs 2006 Mazda MX-5 Miata

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What is this discussion about? Pontiac Solstice, Mazda MX-5 Miata, Coupe, Convertible


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Re: Actually only the Miata has good steering feel [lbthedawg] by frank4cars
Oct 16, 2005 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: lbthedawg (Oct 16, 2005 4:56 am)

My, how times have changed. I remember when women used to be criticised for buying a car based solely on their looks. Now it's perfectly acceptable for anyone to admit that right up front. I have no doubt the Solstice will sell very well, and it probably should, but if you buy a car solely on looks and think others admire you for it, you might be in for a rude awakening. I'm thinking there are still a fair number of buyers out there who are willing to give up some of the spotlight to win at the stoplight, and track, and bank when it comes time to trade it in. My guess is that Miata buyers are going to be using their cars as daily transportation and that Solstice owners will make this a second or third car that only goes out on weekends. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Re: Actually only the Miata has good steering feel [frank4cars] by lbthedawg
Oct 16, 2005 (2:09 pm)
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Replying to: frank4cars (Oct 16, 2005 12:38 pm)

Anybody that buys either a Solstice or a Miata as a track car or for racing at lights is the one that missed the boat.
 
Both will have serious troubles running with a Cobalt SS or WRX.
 
Yes they are both about image and The Solstice cleans the clocks of the Miata, it is simply no contest
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Re: Actually only the Miata has good steering feel [lbthedawg] by habitat1
Oct 16, 2005 (3:33 pm)
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Replying to: lbthedawg (Oct 16, 2005 2:09 pm)

"Yes they are both about image and The Solstice cleans the clocks of the Miata, it is simply no contest"
 
I must be the exception to your rule. In 2001, I bought a Honda S2000 and last month I bought a 911 Cab S. Both purchases were after a lot of research, test drives and analysis. I think I wore out a couple of Edmunds forums in the process. Both of my final decisions were based on "substance", not image. In fairness, aesthetics and ergonomics factored into my decisions, but my evaluation of these factors was based solely upon my personal preferences, not what I thought others might think.
 
As to your "no contest" image contest between the Miata and the Solstice, I would respectfully suggest that image is not necessarily the friend of Pontiac. Many people I know would find GM's reputation for inferior build quality a huge stumbling block. That's both a substance and image problem that the Solstice may be incapable of overcoming. If the Solstice really intends to fight for market share based upon "image", they need to be aware that they are fighting with a double edged sword.
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Boring looks or boring driving experience, take your pick! by creakid1
Oct 16, 2005 (10:46 pm)
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The Fiero w/ the aftermarket Ferrari body (called Mira I guess) can give you, well, at least a Magnum P.I.-ish image.
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Re: Actually only the Miata has good steering feel [lbthedawg] by govnah
Oct 17, 2005 (3:26 pm)
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Replying to: lbthedawg (Oct 16, 2005 2:09 pm)

To ibthedawg:
 
I too must be crazy because I actually have done quite a bit of research on the Solstice-vs-Miata, and for me the MIATA wins because of:
- Longer warranty (4/50,000 -vs- 3/36,000)
- Comes with side airbags (N/A on Solstice)
- Miata has safety roll over hoops (N/A on Solstice)
- Has a larger trunk that we WOULD use for trips
- Has traction control, LSD, and Xenon headlamps available (N/A on Solstice)
- You can raise and lower the top from the driver's seat with ONE HAND
- You can get keyless entry/ start with the Miata (N/A on Solstice)
- The Miata has a PROVEN HISTORY of realiability and quality
- I can easily get a Miata and not have to wait 6 to 10 months or pay a price premium
 
Yes, I would use the vehicle as a daily driver. Finally, if you knew how much care and detail the Japanese put into the development of a new vehicle, you would be amazed! The Solstice may look better and have similar performance numbers, but I have driven BOTH cars and the Miata feels more like an extension of the driver than the Solstice.
 
Have you driven both vehicles?
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Re: Actually only the Miata has good steering feel [govnah] by exalteddragon1
Oct 17, 2005 (8:37 pm)
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Replying to: govnah (Oct 17, 2005 3:26 pm)

I agree with you that the sostice is missing the xenon lights and the rag top bieng manually operated is a HUGE disadvantage for pontiac.
 
Remember that GM has a $1500 disadvantage per car because of healthcare and medical bills. Thank the UAW for that, unfortunatley.
 
I think another problem for the pontiac is that it only has one exhaust pipe. From a style standpoint it does not look as sporty as dual exhaust does. The should fix this one ASAP.
 
Still, the Pontiac does have a few advantages. The Ecotec 2.4 is a better motor with more low end power than the Mazda, and the interrior (although maybe a little bit harder) is cleaner than the Mazda.
 
The styling is better too, although i think the Saturn sky is even better. That car better have at least HID's or something.
 
Also dont forget the pontiac does beat out the mazda in price at just about every trim level.
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Re: Actually only the Miata has good steering feel [govnah] by pao
Oct 18, 2005 (3:28 am)
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Replying to: govnah (Oct 17, 2005 3:26 pm)

Having done research as well and driven both.....I would say this to the comments
 
- yes on the warranty....Solstice yet to be proven for reliability
- side airbags...both are small cars...which will greatly increase injury in an accident side bags help....but in a major collision....ugh
- roll bar.....the odds of rolling the car are minimum if you drive normally
- Trunk....yes on Miata.....but useable space on the solstice with some innovation
- LSD is an option on the Solstice..dont care for Xenon
- lower the top...the new MX-5 has a one latch release..but I couldnt get the top to loock in place reaching around...I had to get out of the car to do it while pushing down on the top..even the salesman couldnt do it from inside the car....same for the solstice
- keyless entry/start..dont need for a manual shift
- proven history..no doubt
- get now...yes....are they moving no....sitting on the dealers lots here in No Va
- wait for the solstice...yes....permium..only if you dont do you search and find a dealer to get it at MSRP...
 
as far as engineering...the solstice is probably one of the most engineered cars by GM in many years with the Kappa body and other efforts that went into this car from concept to production in two plus years...but only time will tell..
 
having driven both...Im not the performance car nut..I admit..but felt more comfortable, more hip and shoulder room in the solstice...leg room comparable to in both...Solstice styling wins....overall I think its a personal choice
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cars by xkss
Oct 18, 2005 (9:24 pm)
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Replying to: creakid1 (Oct 14, 2005 1:44 pm)

That aol link is the same thing as the edmunds review....
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Re: Has anyone in here drove a Solstice yet? [paul38] by gemini5362
Oct 18, 2005 (11:28 pm)
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Replying to: paul38 (Sep 30, 2005 4:51 am)

I have not driven one yet. Every time I have gone to a pontiac dealership they say it will be out in a few months. Now the dealer has told me that they will have one in november. I think Pontiac has missed the boat with the slow rollout. They had a lot of free advertising courtesy of The Apprentice and they did not capitalize on that. They waited a year to have the car available and even that availability is limited. I have owned a miata for 4 years. For the price it is one of the best sports cars in the market in my opinion. I have read some of the threads about the differences between it and the solstice. There was some mention about the lack of trunk space in the solstice but one writer felt that trunk space was not that important. I puchased a 2005 Boxster after I sold the Miata. One of the selling points for the Boxster was the large amount of storage space available for a sports car. We drive the Boxster on weekend trips and we find we have plenty of space for overnight bags and for laptops. For those people who are going to say something about taking a laptop on a weekend trip at least one laptop is a necessity due to job considerations. I am looking forward to seeing A solstice when they finally make it to a dealership near me.
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cars by xkss
Oct 18, 2005 (11:29 pm)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 16, 2005 3:33 pm)

I must be the exception to your rule. In 2001, I bought a Honda S2000 and last month I bought a 911 Cab S. Both purchases were after a lot of research, test drives and analysis.
 
lbthedawg was comparing the 2006 Pontiac Solstice with the new Mazda MX-5, not a new 911 S which can suffer from the RMS (rear main seal) leaks dating back to the first Boxsters and 996s.
 
I just recently showed pictures and information of the new Pontiac Solstice to a friend and they were suprised to hear that it was a Pontiac and not some fancier car make. The Solstice does have a more upmarket look that the new MX-5. I'd like to see the opinion of a race car driver concerning the new MX-5 vs. Solstice rather than what edmunds has to say.
 

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