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Pontiac Solstice, Mazda MX-5 Miata, Coupe, Convertible
#299 of 376 Re: Mazda badddd... [glennglenn]
Aug 26, 2006 (12:56 pm)
As for price, I paid 29K for a fully loaded 2006 (list was 34K
OK, you paid 29K and it had a list of 34K. The MX-5 GT has a tag of $24,995 and can be had now, at the end of the year, for close to $23K. So, yes, big price difference. Almost $10K from list to list, and $6K in actual price. I guess you do not consider $10K-$6K much money....
The Honda is also very reliable
Please, only debate what I actually said. I NEVER said Honda was not reliable. I said the MX-5 was the MOST reliable out of ANY vehicle for 2004-2005 according to CR.
I still view the Sky Red Line as a great alternative to the Miata for about 27 K. Its a very nice car.
Great, good for you! It is an alternative to the MX-5, and it's about time there FINALLY was one. Competition improves the breed. Look at long term road tests by many magazines, many state their discontent with how the Sol starts to rattle, engine sounds like it is straining.
Still, Saturn and Pontiac as companies have sub-par reliability records.
I would not be surprised to see the next Mazdaspeed MX-5 fitted with the MZR 2.3 DISI Turbo, producing 274hp and 280ft lbs. Or, at least a variation of that engine. I do not think your S2000 would smoke that...
In my opinion, the Miata still carries the moniker of a "chicks car" and has been unable to shake that for years.
It also caries the best selling roadster, EVER, Car and Driver "10 Best" for 2 seater roadsters for 2006, as well as excellent reliability, and "Recommended Buy" for over 15 years on top of countless awards won world wide. I do not see the MX-5 "shaking" any of those credidentials any time soon.
Just for arguement sake:
2006 YTD S2000 sales: 4,288
2006 YTD MX-5 sales: 11,107
#301 of 376 GM Hit a Home Run
Aug 28, 2006 (6:28 pm)
There really is not much left to discuss. For the money the Red Line Sky is a better car,quicker, faster and most certainly better looking. In addition, it not a "chicks" car like the Miata. My money is on the Sky (Solstice). The Miata-philes just can't stand that there's some real competition on the horizon and it says GM on the back. Ford ought to be ashamed that they let the Miata get "fat", bigger (i.e. heavier) and certainly not much faster than the original on a price-adjusted basis. Shame on you Ford. The next time I am in the market, my money is on the Sky Red Line or Solstice. The next time you're at a light in your "chicks" car and a Red Line Sky pulls up next to you, be afraid, very afraid of what it will do to your ego.
As to all the speculation that the next GEN Miata will have 250 + HP, I'll believe it when I see it and even if I do, you can bet that the Ford, I mean Mazda, dealers will be asking more than list for it. Stand in line and wait to be fleeced I say. GM hit a home run and the opposing Team can't stand it.
#302 of 376 Re: GM Hit a Home Run 
Aug 29, 2006 (6:33 am)
Ford ought to be ashamed that they let the Miata get "fat", bigger (i.e. heavier) and certainly not much faster than the original on a price-adjusted basis.
One thing I cannot stand is ignorance. The current MX-5 is only 20 lbs heavier and has been totally redesigned, but, it still weighs 400lbs lighter then the Sol. and Sky. Also has 30 more horses over the previous gen, and is much faster. Ford did not have much say, if any, in what Mazda did to the MX-5.
As to all the speculation that the next GEN Miata will have 250 + HP, I'll believe it when I see it and even if I do, you can bet that the Ford, I mean Mazda, dealers will be asking more than list for it.
It will most likely be a Mazdaspeed MX-5, not the next generation. Mazdaspeed would be comparable to Redline or GXP.
As for Mazda dealers asking ADM's. What do you think GM dealers HAVE been doing, and are STILL doing on the regular production Sky's and Sol's? Placing ADM's! They are most certainly NOT getting it anymore, but, that does not stop them from trying.
I will agree that the added performance of a Sky Redline and Solstice GXP is quite good. Mazda does not currently offer anything to compete with that in the MX-5 trim. So, yes, GM has an advantage there. Where GM does not have the advantage is quality, reliability, and a proven vehicle. While it may be concieveable GM did hit the perverbial "home run", they only did it in a low production vehicle that does not apply to the masses.
Time will tell if this was the "game winning hit" that GM was looking for, and so desperately needed, or if this was rather "solo home run" that will be short lived.
Us MX-5 fans are not worried. Have nothing to be worried about. While the Redline and GXP offer more power and performance. The regular production Solstice and Sky does not.
#303 of 376 Re: GM Hit a Home Run 
Aug 29, 2006 (8:44 am)
What a foolish post....you clearly don't understand the roadster market or the people who buy them. Nobody is buying a Miata to hot rod all over the place and impress people at stop lights. They buy the car because it is the exact definition of a true roadster and its tremendously reliable, has exceptional resale values and its a fun car to drive...It's fine that you like the sky but that doesn't take away from the best selling roadster of all time and its not a GM product and it never will be.
#304 of 376 Re: GM Hit a Home Run [aviboy97]
Aug 29, 2006 (2:52 pm)
It makes me laugh when someone throws out the "chick car" about the MX-5. It is like when you were a kid and didn't have a real point or argument to make so you resorted to name calling. I have been doing a little survey of my own over the last few weeks or so. I have seen two new MX-5s, both were being driven by men and one Sol which was driven by a women. I have seen two Skys but both had the windows up and the top up so I couldn't see who was driving them.
Although I like the look of both the Sol and the Sky I also like the look of the MX-5. To me the decision really came down to 2 things. One, the easy operation of the top. I couldn't believe how cumbersome GM made the top operation. Two, storage space. My wife and I love to take weekend road trips and if I had to leave my convertible in the garage because I couldn't fit any luggage, I would go nuts.
The price and reliability of the MX-5 were a bonus. To each his own but for me the choice was easy.
#305 of 376 Re: Chick Car reference
Aug 29, 2006 (5:46 pm)
When I was test driving a 1999 BMW 5-series back in '99 I asked the sales guy - who buys the 3-series? He said "hot chicks". Just take note of this when you are out on the roads. So for all you macho guys who regard a BMW as a man's man car - buy an MX-5 instead! Or respond to classified ads for 3-series in the paper
#306 of 376 Re: Chick Car reference [manybmws]
Aug 30, 2006 (3:13 pm)
"What a foolish post....you clearly don't understand the roadster market or the people who buy them. Nobody is buying a Miata to hot rod all over the place and impress people at stop lights."
Actually, I can not stand ignorance myself. I raced SCCA events back in the 90s and guess what, one of the most popular classes was the Miata class. To argue that no one bought them for racing and ONLY used them as roadsters is ridiculous. Here in the midwest they run around all the time with their tops down and their aftermarket roll bars and Enkei or BBS wheels and modified pipes. The stock class that they run allows these mods and no more. They do quite well in their class (did until the S 2000 came along) and were quite good for a stock car. Problem is, the new one went the wrong direction and indeed got heavier and on a price adjusted basis became MUCH more expensive than they were. I'd be real impressed had FORD said, "Lets go in the direction of the Elise or Exige and cut the fat." Then I 'd say the MX5 would be worth a look. Till then, its turned in to a cute, quiet and comfortable "chicks car" which it didnt have to be. Give us 200 HP, drop 300 lbs and then lets go racing, thats what they should have done. Then I'd be impressed.
#307 of 376 Foolishness and ignorance...
by Claire@Edmunds HOST
Aug 30, 2006 (3:57 pm)
Let's tone down the rhetoric, folks -- we're supposed to be talking about cars, not each other.
#308 of 376 Re: Chick Car reference [glennglenn]
Aug 30, 2006 (4:00 pm)
I don't think that poster meant "no one buys them to race". MX-5 does have a rich racing heritage. But, the majority of the MX-5 buyers do not race them, only a select few.
There is currently an MX-5 Cup circuit, which MX-5's race Vs MX-5's. There is also an abundance of Mazdaspeed components available to members of SCCA.
Problem is, the new one went the wrong direction and indeed got heavier
I don't really call 20 lbs that much weight.
I have another reference for you. The Honda Civic. They are tuned and raced everywhere, and yet, they are marketed at a fuel efficient economy car to the masses. The MX-5 is marketed to the masses as a true roadster, and if you wish, you can modify the crap out of it and race it. Most MX-5 owners will not. If you think about it, you can basically modify any car now a days....