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Replying to: logic1 (Feb 01, 2006 10:58 am) That is an author with speculation trying to sell magazines. As I said before, NO such thing has been announced from Mazda. The earliest we might see one is 2010. Unless, they build 2 Mazdaspeed vehicles at once. In your previous post, you said that the Solstice hopes to have a reputation and a following in years to come. I actually DO hope it does! I cannot agree with you more. I would love to see an American roadster with a following. You don't see much of a following in any American car unless it's a muscle car. (Vette, Mustang, Camaro). As much as I don't like Pontiac, I hope it does survive. But, I really don't think it will. You have accused me of not reading your posts, try reading mine as well. You do sound pretty bitter. I'm not bitter, I just love to debate 
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Replying to: logic1 (Feb 01, 2006 9:53 am) Oh, I knew exactly what you meant. My point was that we ALL think that when we post something, anything, in any topic, that we are clearly articulating our thoughts. That is not always the case. What you type, what you MEAN to articulate, and what is received on the other end are not always the same. And putting into a post that you wish others wouldn't misstate your 'clearly articulated' points is more than a bit condencending.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 01, 2006 11:20 am) I think Mazda will do a Mspeed MX-5 earlier. But you are entirely correct. I and those who agree with me are speculating. As much as I don't like Pontiac, I hope it does survive You may have a point. However, I think a Kappa like vehicle will be in the GM stable for many years. At least as long as they have an Internal Cumbustion Engine.
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Replying to: rorr (Feb 01, 2006 11:29 am) Point taken. 
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Replying to: logic1 (Feb 01, 2006 11:38 am)  
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Replying to: logic1 (Feb 01, 2006 11:38 am) Certainly possible. I'm curious; do you think they would do a Mazdaspeed version in response to the NA Solstice (that would be 'normally aspirated'  ) or in response to the GXP version? Personally, I don't think Mazda would do a Mazdaspeed version (soon) in response to the standard Solstice. The two cars are close enough in price/performance that they won't feel a lot of pressure to do a Mspeed quickly. Throwing the GXP into the mix is interesting because the decision to do a Mazdaspeed MX-5 may hinge on the selling price of the GXP. If the market price for the GXP is $30k+, then the GXP would be up against the S2000 rather than the Miata and Mazda wouldn't feel as much heat to put out a Mazdaspeed version quickly. However, if a GXP is on the market for around $25k, then I can see Mazda thinking about getting one out earlier. Given the current market on the base Solstice, I think it would be awhile before the market on GXP versions are around $25k. Which is one reason why I think it'll be awhile before Mazda does another Mazdaspeed MX-5. |
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Replying to: rorr (Feb 01, 2006 3:15 pm)  ]or in response to the GXP version? Definitely GXP. The Solstice and Miata are close. What I like about the two cars now is tests show Mazda and GM have the same general idea, with subtle iterations. The Mazda is lighter, and enjoys some performance advantages accordingly. The tradeoff is a more nervous delivery (I'll acknowledge many want this) The Solstice is more planted, and also a bit more torquey. The GXP will bring a different angle to the competition. I think Mazda will want to respond. I could see a fully loaded GXP approaching 30k. I think you will be able to get one reasonably equipped closer to $27k or so. Guess we shall see later this year.
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Replying to: logic1 (Feb 02, 2006 1:45 pm) Would a GXP Solstice necessarily compete with the Miata or would it be more in the S2000 market (or even convertible Mustang). Could Pontiac bring it to market for $27k? I'm sure they could; but I see demand for this car making the actual market price closer to $30k (at least for a year or so). "I think you will be able to get one reasonably equipped closer to $27k or so." And rumor has it you can get a reasonably equipped base Solstice for around $22k. Anybody seen any for sale lately at that price? A different look at it: what the GXP will bring to the table is a lot more shear grunt and power than the standard Solstice. Improvements to the Solstice handling would be (IMO) very incremental. How does this appeal to the type of owner interested in a Miata? Typical Miata shoppers aren't interested in pure power as much as they are reflexes and balance. This, in addition to the large price delta compared to the Miata, is one reason why I don't see a GXP Solstice stealing that many sales from the Miata, forcing Mazda to do a Mspeed version. And if a potential Miata owner desires even BETTER handling, there are already suspension/brake parts available through Mazdaspeed for the NC MX-5; they don't have to do a dedicated Mspeed version to satisfy this demand.
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Considering the 2004-2005 Mazdaspeed MX-5 was $27,125 fully loaded (Bose audio, 6-speed manual, leather trim,1.8L turbo) It is conceiveable that the next gen Mazdaspeed MX-5, if there will be one, will stay near that price, maybe just slightly more. In another note, it's still way to early to tell what GM or Mazda will do in response to each other, although GM has announced the GXP. If Mazda does have a response to the GXP, it's still on the drawing board. Mazdaspeed has their hands full with developing the Mazdaspeed3. The thing about Mazdaspeed, is that they are like a company within a company. In addition to developing a production Mazda into a tuned Mazdaspeed product, they also are developing a full line of performance products for the Mazda line. They have a catalog of performance parts for the Mazda3, Mazda6, RX-8, MX-5. I would say they have a lot on their plate. |
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