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Pontiac Solstice vs 2006 Mazda MX-5 Miata

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Re: logic1 [aviboy97] by logic1
Feb 01, 2006 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 01, 2006 10:55 am)

See, here's the problem. Your "belief" is not based on any fact. There has been NO such thing said from anyone at Mazda. There has not even been official word on the next Mazdaspeed vehicle, but, my Mazda rep has said unofficially the next Mazdaspeed vehicle is the Mazdaspeed3.
 
In Car and Driver's review of the MX-5, they say expect a MazdaSpeed version soon.
 
With the GXP already announced, I do not see how Mazda can afford not to come out with one.
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Re: logic1 [aviboy97] by logic1
Feb 01, 2006 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 01, 2006 10:55 am)

See, here's the problem. Your "belief" is not based on any fact.
 
Hey, how about that, you understand the concept of expressing ones belief!
 
Well, by golly, you have expressed your belief about future Kappa sales.
 
Is that also a problem?
 
Or are you allowed opinions and I am not?
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Re: logic1 [logic1] by aviboy97
Feb 01, 2006 (11:20 am)
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Replying to: logic1 (Feb 01, 2006 10:58 am)

In Car and Driver's review of the MX-5, they say expect a MazdaSpeed version soon.
 
That is an author with speculation trying to sell magazines. As I said before, NO such thing has been announced from Mazda. The earliest we might see one is 2010. Unless, they build 2 Mazdaspeed vehicles at once.
 
In your previous post, you said that the Solstice hopes to have a reputation and a following in years to come. I actually DO hope it does! I cannot agree with you more. I would love to see an American roadster with a following. You don't see much of a following in any American car unless it's a muscle car. (Vette, Mustang, Camaro). As much as I don't like Pontiac, I hope it does survive. But, I really don't think it will.
 
You have accused me of not reading your posts, try reading mine as well. You do sound pretty bitter. I'm not bitter, I just love to debate
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Re: MX-5 world sales 2005 [logic1] by rorr
Feb 01, 2006 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: logic1 (Feb 01, 2006 9:53 am)

"NA meaning North American. In context pretty clear, seeing as I said MX-5."
 
Oh, I knew exactly what you meant. My point was that we ALL think that when we post something, anything, in any topic, that we are clearly articulating our thoughts.
 
That is not always the case. What you type, what you MEAN to articulate, and what is received on the other end are not always the same. And putting into a post that you wish others wouldn't misstate your 'clearly articulated' points is more than a bit condencending.
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Re: logic1 [aviboy97] by logic1
Feb 01, 2006 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 01, 2006 11:20 am)

That is an author with speculation trying to sell magazines. As I said before, NO such thing has been announced from Mazda. The earliest we might see one is 2010. Unless, they build 2 Mazdaspeed vehicles at once.
 
I think Mazda will do a Mspeed MX-5 earlier.
 
But you are entirely correct. I and those who agree with me are speculating.
 
As much as I don't like Pontiac, I hope it does survive
 
You may have a point. However, I think a Kappa like vehicle will be in the GM stable for many years. At least as long as they have an Internal Cumbustion Engine.
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Re: MX-5 world sales 2005 [rorr] by logic1
Feb 01, 2006 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: rorr (Feb 01, 2006 11:29 am)

That is not always the case. What you type, what you MEAN to articulate, and what is received on the other end are not always the same. And putting into a post that you wish others wouldn't misstate your 'clearly articulated' points is more than a bit condencending.
 
Point taken.
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Re: MX-5 world sales 2005 [rorr] by aviboy97
Feb 01, 2006 (11:52 am)
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Replying to: rorr (Feb 01, 2006 11:29 am)

true
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Re: logic1 [logic1] by aviboy97
Feb 01, 2006 (11:54 am)
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Replying to: logic1 (Feb 01, 2006 11:38 am)

Wow, we agree! It's a miracle!
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Re: logic1 [logic1] by rorr
Feb 01, 2006 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: logic1 (Feb 01, 2006 11:38 am)

"I think Mazda will do a Mspeed MX-5 earlier."
 
Certainly possible. I'm curious; do you think they would do a Mazdaspeed version in response to the NA Solstice (that would be 'normally aspirated' ) or in response to the GXP version?
 
Personally, I don't think Mazda would do a Mazdaspeed version (soon) in response to the standard Solstice. The two cars are close enough in price/performance that they won't feel a lot of pressure to do a Mspeed quickly.
 
Throwing the GXP into the mix is interesting because the decision to do a Mazdaspeed MX-5 may hinge on the selling price of the GXP. If the market price for the GXP is $30k+, then the GXP would be up against the S2000 rather than the Miata and Mazda wouldn't feel as much heat to put out a Mazdaspeed version quickly.
 
However, if a GXP is on the market for around $25k, then I can see Mazda thinking about getting one out earlier.
 
Given the current market on the base Solstice, I think it would be awhile before the market on GXP versions are around $25k. Which is one reason why I think it'll be awhile before Mazda does another Mazdaspeed MX-5.
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Re: logic1 [rorr] by logic1
Feb 02, 2006 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: rorr (Feb 01, 2006 3:15 pm)

Certainly possible. I'm curious; do you think they would do a Mazdaspeed version in response to the NA Solstice (that would be 'normally aspirated' ) [touche! ]or in response to the GXP version?
 
Definitely GXP.
 
The Solstice and Miata are close. What I like about the two cars now is tests show Mazda and GM have the same general idea, with subtle iterations.
 
The Mazda is lighter, and enjoys some performance advantages accordingly. The tradeoff is a more nervous delivery (I'll acknowledge many want this) The Solstice is more planted, and also a bit more torquey.
 
The GXP will bring a different angle to the competition. I think Mazda will want to respond. I could see a fully loaded GXP approaching 30k. I think you will be able to get one reasonably equipped closer to $27k or so. Guess we shall see later this year.

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