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Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 01, 2006 9:01 am) In the interest of giving and sharing knowledge, I have owned two Miatas over a period of seven years. I know the history. Loc said something to the affect that the GM ecotec has been a good engine. I really think that has yet to be seen. I don't see how GM goes from making unreliable engines, to all of a sudden, making a reliable one over night. In the interset of giving and sharing knowledge, the ecotec engine has been used in Europe and other nations for more than 10 years. The 2.4 in the Solstice is already being used by Saab and Opel. As in terms of year to date sales on the Solstice and the MX-5. The first year of the product sales does not mean much. It's about the long haul, and constant sales. But, this is not true for GM. They need the sales, right now. I also think it's safe to say that Mazda is not all that much worried about the future of the MX-5. If sales do not match the Solstice in the U.S. right now, that's ok. You have to remember, the MX-5 is a GLOBAL car. It sells in Europe, Africa, Asia. I think a more accurate sales comparo would be world sales of the Solstice Vs. the world sales of the MX-5. Pontiac is a US brand. The Solstice will not be offered abroad. Kappa cars will, however. Opel will sell a form of the Saturn Sky. Holden is working at least one and possibly three Kappa platform vehicles.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 01, 2006 9:17 am) My post referred specifically to North American sales. Consistent with your earlier posts, you continue to misquote me. The NB (or second generation Miata - a real knowledgeable Miata person should know what I mean when I say NB above) - did see declining sales from 1999 through 2005. As I said above, NA MX-5 sales*were up by some 600 models in December 2005 over December 2004. But the MX-5 still sold almost 2k less in North America than the MX-5. If you want to debate with me, I respectfully ask you not misstate my clearly articulated points. * In light of Rorr's comments below, please be advised that NA here stands for North American. Obvious context apparently being insufficient for some.
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Replying to: logic1 (Feb 01, 2006 9:28 am) If you want to debate with me, I respectfully ask you not misstate my clearly articulated points." Clearly articulated? First, I didn't think Mazda had sold any NA Miatas since the '98 year. Didn't they start selling the NB edition in '99?  Second, shouldn't that last sentence have read "But the MX-5 still sold almost 2k less in North America than the Solstice". |
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Replying to: rorr (Feb 01, 2006 9:47 am) NA meaning North American. In context pretty clear, seeing as I said MX-5. And indeed, highly consistent with Miata fan board use. While the boards refer to first generation Miatas as NA and second NB, most now simply refer to the current car as the MX-5. So back at you. Second, shouldn't that last sentence have read "But the MX-5 still sold almost 2k less in North America than the Solstice". Yes. Thank you.
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Replying to: logic1 (Feb 01, 2006 9:24 am) Just because you have owned 2 Miata's does not mean you know the history. You seem to know when new designs were released, and sales stats but, in terms of race heritage, reputation or Mazdaspeed in the realm of the MX-5, you don't convey your "knowledge" very well. That is apparent by the many other readers leaving their comments towards what you are sharing with us.
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Replying to: logic1 (Jan 31, 2006 3:46 pm) See, here's the problem. Your "belief" is not based on any fact. There has been NO such thing said from anyone at Mazda. There has not even been official word on the next Mazdaspeed vehicle, but, my Mazda rep has said unofficially the next Mazdaspeed vehicle is the Mazdaspeed3. Now, about "dropping the Mazdaspeed option". Mazdaspeed is meant to be a limited production special edition. Mazdaspeed only does vehicles for 2 years (currently on the Mazdaspeed6...whatta car I must say!) With the new design of the MX-5, it was unnesessary to have the Mazdaspeed treatment. There will most likely be another Mazdaspeed MX-5 one day, but, we will have to wait and see.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 01, 2006 10:37 am) You, and the two other posters (how two equates to many in your book is an interesting topic for another thread) are dead wrong on my knowledge. In these threads I have been talking about one thing: amateur tuning in North America. In these threads, I have certainly acknowledges that the Miata has a popular North American amateur fan base built over the past 15 years. My point was and remains, that Mazda does not have other cars anywhere near as popular as the Miata. In addition, I forwarded my theory that there is no reason the Solstice and its fellow Kappa cars will not enjoy a similar following over the years. Rather than debate the point, you have brought up all sorts of things, including worldwide Mazda sales, Mazda professional racing, GM front wheel drive cars that I have not offered any opinion about. Rather than point out the diversionary tactics you insist on using, your two friends have piled on against me - all apparently being fare in Miatas and wars. You have no rational basis to your claim I know nothing about Mazda racing history. I have not discussed it with you. Unless you can demonstrate that you know me in person or have been secretly spying on me, you have yet again gone off on a plank. |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 01, 2006 10:55 am) In Car and Driver's review of the MX-5, they say expect a MazdaSpeed version soon. With the GXP already announced, I do not see how Mazda can afford not to come out with one.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 01, 2006 10:55 am) Hey, how about that, you understand the concept of expressing ones belief! Well, by golly, you have expressed your belief about future Kappa sales. Is that also a problem? Or are you allowed opinions and I am not? |
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Replying to: logic1 (Feb 01, 2006 10:58 am) That is an author with speculation trying to sell magazines. As I said before, NO such thing has been announced from Mazda. The earliest we might see one is 2010. Unless, they build 2 Mazdaspeed vehicles at once. In your previous post, you said that the Solstice hopes to have a reputation and a following in years to come. I actually DO hope it does! I cannot agree with you more. I would love to see an American roadster with a following. You don't see much of a following in any American car unless it's a muscle car. (Vette, Mustang, Camaro). As much as I don't like Pontiac, I hope it does survive. But, I really don't think it will. You have accused me of not reading your posts, try reading mine as well. You do sound pretty bitter. I'm not bitter, I just love to debate 
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