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Re: GM courtesy transportation policy [audia8q] by logic1
Jan 17, 2006 (1:02 pm)
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Replying to: audia8q (Jan 17, 2006 9:07 am)

But, Mazda has a customer commitment that Pontiac doesn't have.
 
JD Powers consistently rates Mazda dealers near the bottom in customer satisfaction. Pontiac rates around the industry average.
 
With the Sky, and Saturn's consistently high customer ratings, Mazda will not even have a chance.
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Re: GM courtesy transportation policy [logic1] by sashajo
Jan 25, 2006 (2:01 pm)
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Replying to: logic1 (Jan 12, 2006 9:06 am)

Talk about the hassle factor! I'm trying to buy a Solstice and have been told that Pontiac's policy is to not allow test drives. I could see doing a pre-qualification on the drive - but to not allow them at all. If ever there was a reason for the BS flag - this is it!!!
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Re: GM courtesy transportation policy [ttbuyer] by jhershey
Jan 25, 2006 (5:58 pm)
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Replying to: ttbuyer (Jan 16, 2006 5:05 am)

I also noticed that the "trunk" was locked. Probably so no one could see how small it was/is.
 
I can't seem to find it, but I believe the trunk release needs the battery to work. If not, only other ways for them to lock the trunk would be to disconnect the wire from the release button or pull fuse #18 from the underhood fuse box.
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Re: GM courtesy transportation policy [sashajo] by jhershey
Jan 25, 2006 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: sashajo (Jan 25, 2006 2:01 pm)

I'm trying to buy a Solstice and have been told that Pontiac's policy is to not allow test drives. I could see doing a pre-qualification on the drive - but to not allow them at all. If ever there was a reason for the BS flag - this is it!!!
 
Sounds more like a dealer issue, find a better one. During the months waiting for mine, my dealer let me take out a GTO and G6 GTP coupe.
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Re: GM courtesy transportation policy [sashajo] by logic1
Jan 27, 2006 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: sashajo (Jan 25, 2006 2:01 pm)

I could see doing a pre-qualification on the drive - but to not allow them at all. If ever there was a reason for the BS flag - this is it!!!
 
This complaint should be in a dealer issues forum.
 
GM/Pontiac have no policy preventing test Solstice test drives. Even if GM/Pontiac wanted such a policy, and it stretches all bounds of credibility to think they would, federal law in place with little change since the Teddy Roosevelt Presidency make it illegal.
 
Auto manufacturers sell their product to auto dealers. Once the dealer buys the product, the auto manufacturer has no right to tell the dealer how to price the product or to market it.
 
Auto manufacturers can and do provide a msrp. They also can and do their best to educate dealers on the way they think product should be marketed.
 
In the end, the dealer you encountered chose not to allow a test drive. The reason is clear. The dealer has a hot car it wants to sell at an inflated price. Many people may pay an inflated price for a car with 15 miles on the odo. Fewer will do so if there are 100 or even 50 miles on the odo.
 
If you want to test drive, you should either look for a dealer less greedy, or watch for the next GM drive time program near you which I am sure will include a Solstice and/or Sky.
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Re: on star required [logic1] by aviboy97
Jan 31, 2006 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: logic1 (Jan 09, 2006 6:42 pm)

Tuning is a labor of love. The Solstice and Sky will have a lot more love going for them than the blah MX-5. You will have to start hiding from a lot of tuned Kappa cars soon
 
I'm not sure you realize how big the MX-5 Miata is. They have their own racing circuit! I dont see a Kappa car circuit?
Tuning a Pontiac is a waste of money, for the car will fall apart from what you do to it. Unless it's a 60's Firebird, or a GTO.
The Mazda MX-5 is a PROVEN vehicle, and has PROVEN it can handle many mods and stay reliable. I have never seen that with Pontiac.
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Re: on star required [aviboy97] by logic1
Jan 31, 2006 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 31, 2006 8:40 am)

I dont see a Kappa car circuit?
Tuning a Pontiac is a waste of money, for the car will fall apart from what you do to it. Unless it's a 60's Firebird, or a GTO.
The Mazda MX-5 is a PROVEN vehicle, and has PROVEN it can handle many mods and stay reliable. I have never seen that with Pontiac.

 
Pretty weak argument.
 
The Miata has a circuit some 15 years into its run.
 
There already are multiple mods available for the Kappa cars.
 
Where it took Mazda some 12 years before it figured out how to do a MazdaSpeed version of the Miata, Pontiac has a GXP ready in less than one year.
 
Tuning a Pontiac is a waste of money, for the car will fall apart from what you do to it. Unless it's a 60's Firebird, or a GTO.
 
Yeah. And the only Mazdas anyone tunes is the Miata.
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Re: on star required [logic1] by cargeek1
Jan 31, 2006 (11:40 am)
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Replying to: logic1 (Jan 31, 2006 11:01 am)

Yeah, nobody ever tuned an RX-7, or RX-8, or for goodness sakes the old RX-3, People have been tuning Mazda's since before Pontiac built Fiero's!
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Re: on star required [logic1] by aviboy97
Jan 31, 2006 (12:15 pm)
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Replying to: logic1 (Jan 31, 2006 11:01 am)

Pretty weak argument.
 

Weak?....WEAK?...I don't hear your dissagreeing with me? You can't POSSIBLY sit there and say "gee, my Pontiac is such a reliable, well built automobile" One thing I will say positive about the Solstice, it is a nice car, and I am VERY happy an American manufacturer has built a competitive roadster.
 
Where it took Mazda some 12 years before it figured out how to do a MazdaSpeed version of the Miata, Pontiac has a GXP ready in less than one year.
 
This next statement show how much you don't know about Mazda. Mazdaspeed has had race products in the Mazda MX-5 for quite some time, on the race track. There was no need for a Mazdaspeed MX-5 before 2004. Mazda has had the market cornered in this segment for 15 years. They gave the MX-5 the Mazdaspeed treatment to add performance, as well as test the market for a more performance driven vehicle in that segment.
Now, GM is doing the GXP to try and build sales, as well as reputation. Mazda does not need to build anything. As I've stated before, the MX-5 is a PROVEN vehicle in it's segment. I would like to see evidence to dispute that. Do you have any?
 
  
Yeah. And the only Mazdas anyone tunes is the Miata
 
Oh boy, PLEASE do some homework before you speak.....Check out TRI-POINT Motorsports. You won't find those tuned Mazda's to have the MX-5 name on them. Also, have you ever heard of the 13b Rotary? Are you even aware that Mazda is the ONLY Japanese manufacturer to win at the 24 hr LeMans? And they did it with a Rotary!! Have you ever heard of the RX-7? One of the most popular, and saught out Jap. cars of the last 25 years! Now, Mazda has the RX-8. IT may not have the reputation of the RX-7, but, when they are purchased, many of them are tuned, and some are raced.
 
Now, as to "tuning" Pontiac's, I see 60's or 70's tuned at car shows. I don't see anything made in the last 20 years with ANY respect other then a Firebird. You can't possilby give credit to a kid tuning a Pontiac Sunfire, or Sunbird. So, if you are going to make that arguement, please bring something more then what you said, PLEASE!
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Re: on star required [cargeek1] by logic1
Jan 31, 2006 (12:16 pm)
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Replying to: cargeek1 (Jan 31, 2006 11:40 am)

I am not all that aware of many - affordable anyway - aftermarket rotary engine pieces.
 
I imagine people were tuning Pontiacs in the 1940s and 1950s, before there even was a Mazda on these shores.

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