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Pontiac Solstice vs 2006 Mazda MX-5 Miata

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Re: GM courtesy transportation policy [ttbuyer] by logic1
Jan 16, 2006 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: ttbuyer (Jan 16, 2006 5:05 am)

I am sorry, but you are simply wrong. Read the GM blurb carefully. It says only that "your dealer MAY arrange to provide you with a courtesy rental vehicle". There is no obligation created on the dealer or on GM by this language.
  
Mazda (corporate) provides a loaner car if your Mazda is in for warranty repair. They offer it as part of the ownership package. The GM language is merely to console the unwary.

 
Provide the Mazda language.
 
BTW I love the look of the Solstice, but after sitting in one at the LA Auto Show I have lost all interest. Cheap, tacky interior and seats that were both confining and unsupportive.
 
The interior of my NB Miata had some pretty brittle components.
 
I also noticed that the "trunk" was locked. Probably so no one could see how small it was/is.
 
Yes. As we know, most Roadster buyers are hoping the vehicle will sub for a Mini-Van. Presumably everyone at the show noted how clean the Solstice looked with the top down.
 
I guess it will be enough to satisfy some people.
 
What's the point of saying something like that? Especially, when, as shown above, the Kappa platform is the pick over the Mazda among the racing set.
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As it happens: by logic1
Jan 16, 2006 (6:55 am)
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I am still registered as a Miata owner at Mazda. It appears the full warranty booklet is no longer available. I did find this on the owners' portion of MazdaUSA:
 
No matter what comes your way, we’re ready to come to your aid 24/7/365 with just a phone call*. Got a flat tire? We'll help you change it. Locked your keys in the car? We’ll get you back inside. Need a jump-start? We've got the cables. Need a tow? We’ll get you to the closest Mazda dealership. We can even arrange for a rental car, book a hotel room and coordinate arrangements with your home or office**.
 
Best of all, every new Mazda owner is automatically enrolled in the Mazda Roadside Assistance program at no charge for the duration of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
 
* 1-800-866-1998 (hearing impaired: 800-999-9035)
** Please refer to the program brochure for details. Mazda Roadside Assistance does not include rental car or hotel expenses.

 
If car rental assistance is a given with Mazda, there would be no reason for the qualifications provided in this blurb.
 
I expect there are limits.
 
Which would conform with my very poor Mazda dealership experience, where the talk was always good but the follow through miserable. You were expected to love the car. Problems were to be ignored.
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Re: GM courtesy transportation policy [ttbuyer] by rorr
Jan 16, 2006 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: ttbuyer (Jan 16, 2006 5:05 am)

"I also noticed that the "trunk" was locked. Probably so no one could see how small it was/is."
 
No, probably to keep kids from jacking around with the top. The same reason that shift knobs are always missing in the cars at the auto shows.
 
In regards to courtesy rental cars: I think you guys are pummeling a deceased equine. Both Pontiac and Mazda have language in their warranties which provide for rental cars. Yes, I suppose that there is some 'wiggle room' in the warranties from both manufacturer's for lawyers to hem and haw over. Personally, I think that it all comes down to dealer attitude rather than what the manufacturer has put in writing.
 
Besides, someone who makes their decision between the Solstice and Miata based on rental car policies at their local dealer for warranty work has (IMO) a screw loose.
 
Can we move on to cupholder design please?
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Re: GM courtesy transportation policy [rorr] by audia8q
Jan 17, 2006 (9:07 am)
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Replying to: rorr (Jan 16, 2006 7:49 am)

someone who makes their decision between the Solstice and Miata based on rental car policies at their local dealer for warranty work has (IMO) a screw loose.
 
I agree...to decide solely on rental policy is goofy...But, Mazda has a customer commitment that Pontiac doesn't have. Simply, Pontiac puts the possibility of a loaner on the local dealer...Mazda puts the worry with the manufacturer not the mood of the local dealer. Also, if Pontiac had a real commitment to customer satisfaction they would offer a warranty that is 4 years and 50K instead of 3/36. Buick buyers get 4/50, why not Pontiac?
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Re: GM courtesy transportation policy [audia8q] by logic1
Jan 17, 2006 (1:02 pm)
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Replying to: audia8q (Jan 17, 2006 9:07 am)

But, Mazda has a customer commitment that Pontiac doesn't have.
 
JD Powers consistently rates Mazda dealers near the bottom in customer satisfaction. Pontiac rates around the industry average.
 
With the Sky, and Saturn's consistently high customer ratings, Mazda will not even have a chance.
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Re: GM courtesy transportation policy [logic1] by sashajo
Jan 25, 2006 (2:01 pm)
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Replying to: logic1 (Jan 12, 2006 9:06 am)

Talk about the hassle factor! I'm trying to buy a Solstice and have been told that Pontiac's policy is to not allow test drives. I could see doing a pre-qualification on the drive - but to not allow them at all. If ever there was a reason for the BS flag - this is it!!!
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Re: GM courtesy transportation policy [ttbuyer] by jhershey
Jan 25, 2006 (5:58 pm)
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Replying to: ttbuyer (Jan 16, 2006 5:05 am)

I also noticed that the "trunk" was locked. Probably so no one could see how small it was/is.
 
I can't seem to find it, but I believe the trunk release needs the battery to work. If not, only other ways for them to lock the trunk would be to disconnect the wire from the release button or pull fuse #18 from the underhood fuse box.
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Re: GM courtesy transportation policy [sashajo] by jhershey
Jan 25, 2006 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: sashajo (Jan 25, 2006 2:01 pm)

I'm trying to buy a Solstice and have been told that Pontiac's policy is to not allow test drives. I could see doing a pre-qualification on the drive - but to not allow them at all. If ever there was a reason for the BS flag - this is it!!!
 
Sounds more like a dealer issue, find a better one. During the months waiting for mine, my dealer let me take out a GTO and G6 GTP coupe.
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Re: GM courtesy transportation policy [sashajo] by logic1
Jan 27, 2006 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: sashajo (Jan 25, 2006 2:01 pm)

I could see doing a pre-qualification on the drive - but to not allow them at all. If ever there was a reason for the BS flag - this is it!!!
 
This complaint should be in a dealer issues forum.
 
GM/Pontiac have no policy preventing test Solstice test drives. Even if GM/Pontiac wanted such a policy, and it stretches all bounds of credibility to think they would, federal law in place with little change since the Teddy Roosevelt Presidency make it illegal.
 
Auto manufacturers sell their product to auto dealers. Once the dealer buys the product, the auto manufacturer has no right to tell the dealer how to price the product or to market it.
 
Auto manufacturers can and do provide a msrp. They also can and do their best to educate dealers on the way they think product should be marketed.
 
In the end, the dealer you encountered chose not to allow a test drive. The reason is clear. The dealer has a hot car it wants to sell at an inflated price. Many people may pay an inflated price for a car with 15 miles on the odo. Fewer will do so if there are 100 or even 50 miles on the odo.
 
If you want to test drive, you should either look for a dealer less greedy, or watch for the next GM drive time program near you which I am sure will include a Solstice and/or Sky.
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Re: on star required [logic1] by aviboy97
Jan 31, 2006 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: logic1 (Jan 09, 2006 6:42 pm)

Tuning is a labor of love. The Solstice and Sky will have a lot more love going for them than the blah MX-5. You will have to start hiding from a lot of tuned Kappa cars soon
 
I'm not sure you realize how big the MX-5 Miata is. They have their own racing circuit! I dont see a Kappa car circuit?
Tuning a Pontiac is a waste of money, for the car will fall apart from what you do to it. Unless it's a 60's Firebird, or a GTO.
The Mazda MX-5 is a PROVEN vehicle, and has PROVEN it can handle many mods and stay reliable. I have never seen that with Pontiac.

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