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Honda Civic vs Volkswagen Jetta

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#193 of 498 TDI versus Si by midnightcowboy

Dec 20, 2005 (10:02 am)

I drove a TDI and really liked it. I almost bought a Golf TDI in 2003, but the dealer added $300 and I walked. Also, read about the hoorible reliability and delarer service and was extremely glad I didn't buy. Since then I have toyed back and forth between high miles per gallon cars and fun cars. I have analyzed and reanalyzed the cost savings of high mileage cars and it just isn't there. The TDI used to be good value for the money, the new 2006s are overpriced. The TDI is a ggreat diesel very good low end torque at 1800 rpm right off the line. Starting and in town driving is very responsive , but then it slows down as objectively measured by 0-60 mph times of 13-14 seconds. The TDI and other Volswagons do have a great German road feel and great safety features. So what is the problem, they are not relable and the dealer service is really arrogant, expensive and not necessarily competent. I once, a long long time ago, had an Audi LS100 and everything went wrong, from a headlight fuse conenctor burning out, to a mtor mount falling off, to the manual gear shift selectro coming apart. I went to the Audi service every couple of weeks and all of the service advisors knew me on a first name basis. That is an experience that I do not intend to have any close service advisor relations with any dealers, susch as VW in the future. Beisde the above i really like the VW, especially the high mileage and good take-off torque of the TDI Jetta abd Golf.
 
Now what I really like nice handling responsive cars with nice sounding motors that are reliable. It seemsabout every 10 years I pick up a high reving Acuras/Honda tha meets this requirment. 1985 CRX Si, 1995 Acura Integra GSR, 2006 Honda Civic Si. Acura listen up, I really liked the RSX type S except for for the control/gauge layout and the funky red display ( don't like BMW's either). If the display on the RSX would have been as clear as the GSR I would have bought one long ago! I actaully really like the new Civic digital display , especially the Sis.
 
In reading this thread it is really amazing the excuses that peoeple come up with to justify the poor VW relability. Well it's a German car and it needs regular maianteance ... POO Humbug! When a VW achieve the level of Honda/Acura or Toyota/Lexus dealers then maybe, I and thousands of others will buy one!
 
YMMV double 6s,
 
MidCow

#194 of 498 Re: technical talk about engine power [eyc51k] by thegraduate

Dec 20, 2005 (10:09 am)

Replying to: eyc51k (Dec 20, 2005 7:19 am)
The only reason I use facts is to help prove my point. I drive an Accord ly(at 6'5", 200) because it was the roomiest car for the money. I didn't buy the car because it's headroom measure was xx inches, I bought it because it fit. The only reason I bother using figures is because in other forums I am criticized by others when I post anything without hard proof. I haven't had that problem here, yet, because I always use facts in my posts as well, to prove that my opinions aren't COMPLETELY baseless!
 
Think me insane, I don't care. At least I am happy, not confused and worried about reading every small detail trying to convince myself how to live based on someone else’s advice, my own intuition got me this far and I’m doing well for it.
 
As far as convincing myself, that isn't necessary, buddy. I have a ten year old Accord that I love as much as the day I got it, but it has become a little impractical, at my size, to drive that car every day. I immediately went to look at Accords again, because I was so happy with the old one ( I kept it, too, so I could take it to Lowe's and Sam's parking lots and not worry about buggies and door dings, crazy I know lol ).
 
Worried, confused with every detail? No, I have only corrected your posts for readers of this forum, so they will not be misled into thinking things like the Jetta TDI is the quicker car, and that the Jetta is 'so much bigger' than the Honda.
 
You are stuck on numbers, facts, "experts" opinions, magazine articles, you would probably elect Joseph Stalin since you like being told what's better and what you should do, and how to basically live
 
I'm not 'stuck' on facts, figures, and expert opinions backing up my case for the Honda. The thing is, the majority of facts, reliability figures (among others, like room), and expert opinions, all seem pretty positive about Hondas. I have already got my car, after test driving it for many many miles, along with test driving other things, it was the car I kept coming back to wanting. I only use facts (shouldn't be a bad thing, using published fact) to try to convey how I feel about the car, and as far as expert opinion, well, I figure, to most people, it is going to be more credible than someone who has their own Honda. That's why I use it. Maybe you should use them. Yes, you will likely find some that may make Honda look inferior (like the Accord weighing less than the Jetta, )...Go for it!
 
Maybe someone is touchy after the lowly, crappy, cheap, slow, Civic, beat out all other 'New for '06' cars for Car of the Year (by Motor Trend)? "No, those people are stupid, and a car with some torque should have won." That's fine. That's your OPINION. You can use your opinion, I can use mine and others.

#195 of 498 Hard Comments about the Civic... by midnightcowboy

Dec 20, 2005 (11:56 am)

Hey "TheGraduate" care to back up your last paragraph:
 
"Maybe someone is touchy after the lowly, crappy, cheap, slow, Civic, beat out all other 'New for '06' cars for Car of the Year (by Motor Trend)? "No, those people are stupid, and a car with some torque should have won." That's fine. That's your OPINION. You can use your opinion, I can use mine and others.
"
 
Where do the facts describe the Civic as lowly, crappy, cheap, slow, ...? And I am not sure where the Antecendent is placed are you trying to quote what someone else might have said when you typed ' "No, those people are stupid, and a car with some torque should have won." ' or was that your thought ?
 
Double sixes,
 
MidCow

#196 of 498 Re: Hard Comments about the Civic... [midnightcowboy] by thegraduate

Dec 20, 2005 (1:15 pm)

Replying to: midnightcowboy (Dec 20, 2005 11:56 am)
I am referring to the slams to the CIvic with sarcasm. The facts don't describe the Civic as any of those things. In fact, for the most part, the Civic is the most important car released for 2006 (in terms of units sold), and appears to have made great strides in design. Sorry if you got caught up in the sarcasm, and hopefully, that will be the last instance of it. I was just tired of being criticized for having facts that insist the Civic is better bang for your buck, and eyc comes back with "those who have driven know a VW is much better." Numbers don't lie, and my test drive didn't either. The Civic EX gives a lot of car for the money. The Jetta, when stripped down, is a fair contender price-wise, but with any options, goes straight to Accord territory. Long live the Civic (at least it has the reliability history to prove that it might actually live long!)

#197 of 498 Re: Hard Comments about the Civic... [thegraduate] by eyc51k

Dec 21, 2005 (7:16 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Dec 20, 2005 1:15 pm)
Hey dude, it’s your money and you are free to do with it what you want, me, I’ll throw mine at a car I believe will be around when others are finished. Putting the kind of miles I put on and if I loved Hondas the way you do, I would be buying one every other year because they would be ripe for the scrap heap in that short period of time. If my VW turns into a pumpkin, I’ll let you all know…don’t hold your collective breathes though.
 
Side Note: If I knew the grad went to the Honda Church of Worship, well then I would have kept my religion to myself.

#198 of 498 VW in the Scrap heap?[eyc51k] by thegraduate

Dec 21, 2005 (1:46 pm)

Replying to: eyc51k (Dec 21, 2005 7:16 am)
155k miles with less than $700 in repairs (my 96 Honda), or 40k miles with $2600 in repairs (friend's 2000 New Beetle Turbo). This is the comparo that I have personally made Honda to VW, within my personal circle. No books claiming reliability can beat seeing it first hand. I hoe you have better luck with your VW, because I really do love to drive them. I drove my girlfriend's dad's Audi Cabriolet A4 and loved it! Scrap heap Honda, though, I don't think so.

#199 of 498 Re: technical talk about engine power [eyc51k] by 03accordman

Dec 21, 2005 (4:54 pm)

Replying to: eyc51k (Dec 19, 2005 10:22 pm)
There is NO comparison between a Jetta and an Accord in ROOM. I don't understand how you can say the 'Hardly'. The Jetta is way too cramped compard to an Accord.

#200 of 498 Re: technical talk about engine power [03accordman] by eyc51k

Dec 21, 2005 (10:03 pm)

Replying to: 03accordman (Dec 21, 2005 4:54 pm)
There is NO comparison between a Jetta and an Accord in ROOM. I don't understand how you can say the 'Hardly'. The Jetta is way too cramped compard to an Accord.
 
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READ this S_L_O_W_L_Y
 
I sat in the Accord, drove it, got out and did the same in the Jetta, NEW STYLE and the difference was not much different with my 6 foot 180 lb son sitting in the back seat critiquing for me. Owned Camry’s for years which is same as the Accord for room, and again NOT much difference. Guess what, I don't care what you think, say, believe because I (KNOW) it‘s NOT cramped in the least, no way in GOD'S green earth least it would still be sitting on the dealers lot.
 
I love this forum, facts and reality seems to be altered here, it's surreal like the twilight zone.

#201 of 498 Re: technical talk about engine power [eyc51k] by alpha01

Dec 22, 2005 (7:23 am)

Replying to: eyc51k (Dec 21, 2005 10:03 pm)
I have to say I've had the pleasure of driving both these cars (Civic EX and Jetta Pkg 1, lest we forget the topic) and I really would have a hard time picking the Jetta over the Civic for any reason other than the supposed trendiness of the Jetta.
 
Through the seat of the pants, acceleration felt similar. However, really looking at it, the Jetta disappoints- an extra cylinder and an extra cog and it feels no quicker than a Civic? The Civic's engine also sings a sewing machine like song, while the Jetta's I5 kinda rumbles. I didnt find the Jetta's interior to be as leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else like it used to be, and GOD, please with that awful leatherette.
 
Now, certainly the GLI might be a different story, but the Jetta Pkg 1 that I drove handled nicely, but not sportily. I felt the new Civic had the same composure, but a more playful fiestiness, something the former Jetta generation had.
 
Cruise around to the stickers.... I dont see where the Jetta warrants another 4 grand over a Civic EX. It certainly doesnt make it up in fuel efficiency, trailing by 10 MPG on the HIGHWAY. THATS CRAZY!
 
In terms of safety, both are exceptional, and I like the fact that the Jetta has stability control. On that count, I'd give the Jetta the nod, but the Civics crash scores are exceptional, and it even received the Top Pick-Gold from the IIHS (the Jetta's is a Silver).
 
eyc51k- I dont mean to be rude, but theres a HUGE difference between room inside the Jetta and room inside a current Camry or Accord. It may not seem pronounced from the drivers seat, but try the rear.
 
My vote: Civic EX, no contest. The new grown-up Jetta is just too "me too", except for its bizarre 5 cylinder engine which provides no performance of efficiency benefit.
Its a nice car, but for $23K, I want more.
 
~alpha

#202 of 498 Re: technical talk about engine power [eyc51k] by 03accordman

Dec 22, 2005 (8:11 am)

Replying to: eyc51k (Dec 21, 2005 10:03 pm)
"READ this S_L_O_W_L_Y"
 
I don't need to read things slowly to understand them; thank you very much. May hold good for you, so please take time reading what I wirte:
 
Real world or statistically, there is no comparison in room b/w the Accord and a Jetta. I haven't seen or read one post by anyone here or in any publication that puts space in the Camry/Accord on par with a Jetta. If you keep your eyes open (and an opem mind) while checking out an Accord, you will see what I mean.
 
Happy Holidays!

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