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Honda Civic, Scion tC, Coupe
#77 of 186 Plus the 2007 Scion tC Spec
Jul 05, 2006 (7:03 pm)
sells for only $15,000. That is one good bargain.
The Scion tC holds it's value, in fact, I was checking on Kelley Blue Book.com the other day and a 2005 Scion tC was retailing for $19,490! They actually go up in vlaue!
I test drove a 2005 Scion tC RS 1.0 and found the 160 horses to be more than enough power for me. More than enough. A semi-throaty exhaust sound straight-from-the-factory, too. The Scion tC wins this battle, hands down, dudes.
#78 of 186 Re: scion tc takes all [barrytime]
Jul 07, 2006 (12:08 am)
The styling and mpg of the TC are both problems for me. I think it looks like a Volvo with BMW C-pillars. I like my cars to have their own honest design. The Civic looks like a Honda concept car. Also, all economy cars should average at least 30 mog.
#79 of 186 Test drove the Civic today
Jul 07, 2006 (3:03 pm)
Hello everyone and I had the pleasure of driving the Civic and was extremely impressed with the interior and exterior design.
The rake of the windshield is more radical than some exotics that I have seen including the Acura NSX. Love the curves on the front fenders and how they blend into the headlights. The Civic is not a drivative design except for the headligths which I think they copied the Infinit FX to a small degree.
Contrary to many posters in this forum I loved the two tiered dash design which is very futuristic and fun. The interior plastics were nice to the touch and I thought the curves and shapes were elegant. All of the controls fall readily to hand, excellent ergonomics.
The EX had the very powerful stero and I thought it was just ok for sound quality.
The power was just adequate and the gas milage looks fantastic. Why would anyone want the hybird when the base car gets 40 MPG on the highway?
Toyota (Scion) and Honda are fantastic cars and we are faced with two great choices here.
The Scion as someone mentioned previously is somewhat derivative in design but very pleasent. A combination of Volvo and BMW which is probably a smart move on Toyotas part. If I am not mistaken you have to pay extra for side airbags on the Scion.
The fitment on the Honda panels were some of the closest tolerances that I have ever seen even compared to a Lexus.
Another great car to compare these two in price point, fun and gas milage would be the Mini Cooper if we wanted to expand this forum,
#80 of 186 Re: Test drove the Civic today [bpraxis]
Aug 03, 2006 (2:23 am)
It should also be noted on the safety front that the Civic Coupe only received a 3 out of five star rating for front passenger side impacts. All other ratings are in the excellent range for the new Civic. I would think this would be a concern for Honda as they make very strong marketing statements about "safety for everyone".
#81 of 186 tc over civic coupe
Aug 12, 2006 (12:49 am)
I have a tC and I think its better than Civic coupe. The shape of the Civic coupe looks weird, how its narrow in front and widen in the back. The two tier instrument is just outta this world awful. The Civic needs a bigger engine liter displacement, 1.8 is kinda small compared to the tC's 2.4. That standard lip spoiler on the Civic is barely noticeable.
My tC was better for the buck (under 19,500 b4 taxes), even with all the accessories I had put in when I ordered it (lip spoiler, Scion security, 6-disc CD changer, and side air bags). The panorama moonroof is the coolest thing. Love that my back seats can recline because of the hatch back design.
Aug 12, 2006 (3:11 am)
Just to add to my last post, the digital speed-o-meter will probably most likely die in about a yr or two. I had a Prelude with the digital speed display and it died out like a yr after I bought it new back in the '90s. Plus, may not seem like alot, but tC does have alot of standard nick nacks like both windows are auto up and down, lockable glove box, the cover for the stereo is the coolest thing.
Th Civic has an over-stuff/bulky looking steering wheel, the two tier instrument (almost as bad as having it in the center dash like a Saturn Ion), and what's up with the upside down door handles inside. It felt like it could easily break being that way when I test drived one.
#83 of 186 Re: tC ANYTIME [vegas_00]
Aug 12, 2006 (9:25 am)
You have to remember that most of the things you mention are purely personal taste (interior design, etc...)
The Civic deliever comparable acceleration 0-60 with the Scion (Civic Sedan 5MT did it in 8.0 sec according to Motor Trend's Car of the Year Test). This is identical to the 0-60 number produced by Scion tC.
While being just as quick as Scion, the Civic also offers 7-10 MPG more than the Scion (Civic 30/38-40; Scion 23/30-31), a HUGE deal to some people shopping in the $15k-$20k class. At $3 a gallon, an extra 10 miles per gallon will amount to a huge savings over several years of ownership.
Over 50,000 miles, assuming both cars average at their EPA Highway estimates you will buy:
1667 gallons of gas for the Scion
1250 gallons of gas for the Civic
You will spend over $1250 MORE in the Scion at $3 a gallon. Unfortunately, if prices yesterday around Atlanta are any guide ($3.10), $3.00 a gallon will be cheap by next year, and the amount spent will only diverge more. Drive a car 170,000 miles like I have? You're looking at a minimum difference of
5667-4250gallons = 1417 gallons * $3 = Over $4,250. Nearly more than a year's tuition at University of Alabama at Birmingham, where I currently attend. Suddenly, to the buyer who keeps their car a long time, the Civic just became the cheaper car.
The stereo cover was something I couldn't live with (Again, personal taste). I don't like it in the $18k Scion, and think it looks ridiculous in the $35k Avalon. Just another pointless part to break, for me.
I understand the dash design is love/hate. I got used to it in the 10 minutes that I drove the Civic. I also liked the Scion's design, except for the stereo cover. The climate control was neat looking, if a little fussy to operate compared to Honda's simple design (or Camry's for that matter).
It felt like it could easily break being that way when I test drived (drove) one.
When I looked at the Scion, the first thing I noticed was the cheap moonroof cover that was as flimsy as having a pull-down shade for my back door of my home.
(almost as bad as having it in the center dash like a Saturn Ion),
No way I can agree here, the Honda puts the information CLOSER to your line of sight, meaning less time off the road, and that realistically, you can see the speed in your peripheral vision. The Saturn requires turning your head and looking down.
The Civic isn't the car for you, and there's nothing wrong with that, but a blanket statement of greatness from one car to another isn't ever going to be true.
Both cars are quite good at what they do, the Civic just seems to do them better to fit my needs (e.g. same speed, MUCH BETTER economy).
#84 of 186 RE: to "the graduate"
Aug 12, 2006 (9:17 pm)
We just look at different things when it came to buying our cars. I don't look at the whole 0-to-60 mph stats or mpg. I look at cars for style, standard equipment for the buck, and just personal preference.
If I was worried about how I spent my money when it came to gas, I would have bought a hybrid, but those don't do it for me. Either way, everyone is going to have to buy gas for their cars no matter how much you end up spending. As for the whole 0-60 mph, I'm not going to anytime soon or ever slam my foot down on the gas from a stop to get to 60mph in 8 seconds. Don't tend to race my car anytime soon. Everyone has their preference and I have mine and I was just putting my thoughts into the topic.
I have a '03 Civic EX coupe to and she's still great on gas. Civic is my everyday car from home to school and vice versa and my tC is for my night out of the town in Vegas. The new Civic just doesn't do it for me style wise, like my '03 Civic better.
#85 of 186 RE: to "the graduate" [vegas_00]
Aug 12, 2006 (9:24 pm)
I didn't mean to come off in an abrasive way; I tend to do that inadvertently. I'm a numbers and detail person, and that shines through in some of my posts. I personally fit better in the tC (came close to getting one), but liked the interior of the Honda models better. I ended up with a little more money to spend than i thought I would have, and got an Accord instead (good power, MPG and more room). I like what the Scion has to offer though, and can see why, for MANY, it is a deal that's absolutely unbeatable.
#86 of 186 apples to apples
Sep 09, 2006 (1:09 pm)
I've test driven the Scion tC but not the Honda Civic (LX), but I'll make a selective comparison of these two cars based on the official facts.
From what I've seen TC has more standard features except for side airbag --
17 inch alloy (tC) versus 16 inch non-alloy wheels (LX). (Not sure if this is better for everyone; is tire size affected by wheel size, and if so, is it generally more expensive to replace a bigger tire? I'm curious).
tC has steering wheel audio controls, LX doesn't. tC has 6 speakers 160 watt, LX has 4 speakers and same 160 watt.
tC has keyless entry; LX doesn't.
tc has one touch power up and down driver and passenger windows; LX has only driver one touch up and down.
LX has side airbags standard; tc doesn't.
Putting these things on an LX or upgrading to EX puts the price of Civic well above price of tC.
Acceleration is actually about the same. tC has around twenty more horses, but it's also around 250 pounds heavier. Weight of tC with manual transmission is 2905 lbs.
Civic has better gas mileage, around 7 or 8 mpg on average. Can go an extra 90 miles or so on a tank of gas with a Civic.
Civic was Motor Trend's Car of the Year recently. I think the 4 door Civics look really cool (depending on the color), tC also looks good and tC has a certain distinctiveness on the road definitely.
I'm going with a tC because, among other reasons, I actually like the idea of an extra 250 pounds, I like the idea of a stable, solid car (not saying Civic is unstable).