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#61 of 186 Re: Will 'Fax Attack' save $ on Scion 'No Haggle' price? [thegraduate] by tonylexus Jan 13, 2006 (5:53 am)
Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 11, 2006 1:15 pm) Mine was actually about 17,300 with AT & auto dimming mirror! Yeah, the roof SHADES (plural!) seem a bit flimsy, but will you find any at all on a "base" Civic? I've had the tC for over a year and find I rarely play with them. Same goes for the radio cover. I never have had a problem with it and only use it to change the look of the dash, which I like. My only complaint with it was that there were no wheel controls to allow you to keep it closed, but that has been corrected for 06.   Can't argue with you about how the interior compares to the Civic. I didn't care for the Civic Coupe exterior enough to get that far.
#62 of 186 tC+ turbo = Si ? by midnightcowboy Jan 13, 2006 (6:50 am)
Replying to: tonylexus (Jan 13, 2006 5:41 am) Good Reply!   The tC is a very good car, also. However, to be fair the Tc would require the turbocharger to equal the performance of the Civc Si and when you add the turbo charger the costs are pretty much a push. Even the regular tC gets less miles per gallon than the Civic Si and much less than the regular Civics.   Each car has its special features and both are very reliable.   Civic Si on Order, "What A Commuter Car!"   MidCow Replies to this message: tonylexus (Jan 16, 2006 5:14 am)
#63 of 186 Re: tC+ turbo = Si ? [midnightcowboy] by tonylexus Jan 16, 2006 (5:14 am)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Jan 13, 2006 6:50 am) You are right on with your comparisons. Wish others would keep comparisons (base vs. base, turbo vs, Si)in perspective. The base Civic mileage is better but you give up a lot in value equipment and power. I get 28 on the tC overall which is good enough for me. I would only consider the Si as well.   By the way, did finally get a look at the inside of the Civic. What's with that dash? One glance down to assimilate several key bits of info is the ideal dash set-up. With the Civic's, there are split locations. BIG thumbs DOWN. What were they thinking with the digital speedo? At worse it is a distraction, at best it is "unsporty"   I applaud the effort for Civic to be a little daring, but to me the dash is a deal-killer. Nice try, but no thanks. I would probably eventually warm up to the exterior, but sure do not want to look at that dash everyday. Especially can't imagine warming up to the digital read-out. Too much competition out there to have to make a consession on something you have to interact with almost constently while in the car.
#64 of 186 Si vs tC by unixfag Jan 24, 2006 (2:08 pm)
They are two completely different animals, and too many people don't recognize that. The Scion salesman at Performance Toyota was one of them, although I recognize that he had a financial incentive for such a misconception.   With every TRD toy available, the tC would just keep up with an Si (in a straight line.) Limited slip diff, much higher torque peak, and a tighter and lighter body make it clear that the Si is better designed for racing and to be thrown around twisty roads.   It's easy, though, to be hard on the tC when you don't consider the price. Having driven cars that are actually 'fast', my test of an '05 tC was disappointing. I tried to keep things in perspective when I tested an '06 last week, and I was not disappointed. The 2.4 is as powerful as anything that vehicle could *competently* make use of and, while I'm sure a S/C would be fun, base is plenty of engine to have fun with. Anyhow, in my mind, any performance deficit is outweighed by the low price and well designed interior. (The gauge cluster being a minor exception, IMHO)   On merit alone, the Si is the vehicle I would choose flat-out. The price and availability, though, make it clear that it fills a very different market role than does the tC. The going price for an Si is well over MSRP, and the area in which I live is capped at 14 units for the model year.   Comparing to the standard Civic EX works, but I'm not sure how competitively priced it is. From what I see, the closest competitor the tC has is the MAZDA 3 S. Very similar numbers, perhaps the Mazda is a bit more 'sporty', but are you REALLY trying to get a 'sporty' car for $17k?? More to the point, do you want to haggle the Mazda down to within a few hundred of the tC?   This is WAY too wordy... in short; my tax refund is going toward a tC.
#65 of 186 GOT A FEW TEST DRIVES LINED UP by dowright82 Jan 25, 2006 (1:58 pm)
Hi to everyone, this is my first post! I've been reading this forum for weeks now, very excited about the great new cars coming out for us in the next year. I'm 23 years old, just finished school, and I'm tired of the poor gas mileage and squeaks coming from my 2000 silverado 5 speed truck (cam, intake, exhaust, programmed, eaton posi).   I'm anxiously awaiting my 5 test drives I have scheduled for this weekend, and just wanted some feedback as to what I should pay special attention to, or what you guys thought about my choices.   1st: I'm going to drive the 06 si tomorrow morning. Very excited, but from what I was told on the phone, its some copper color that I am not familiar with.   2nd: (little high) 06 V6 6speed Accord - if its as great as I think it might be, I might be able to justify the higher payments on it. I have never driven any accord, but I have heard nothing but great things about them.   3rd: The following morning I am going to drive the 06 vw GTI (NOT THE 05, the NEW one.) Its a DSG paddle shift 6 speed. I can't wait to see how the new transmission performs.   4th: (Lower budget) The Scion tC (figure it will leave me room for a Supercharger, some nice wheels, and a new Television haha.   5th: 05 Subaru wrx (NON STI, drool . . .) wish i could afford the STI, but don't think insurance would fly too well.   Having just landed my first real job and thank god I'm not married and DON'T have any kids (knock on wood) haha just I've got some money layin around for a new car that gets better than my trucks 18 mpg.   However, I am hoping to head to Law School in the next 18 months and am on a limited budget due to the fact that I want the car paid off in 18 months.   What would you guys suggest I check out? What do you think about my choices?? I love aftermarket parts - but not crappy ricer looking stuff, more along elegant performance upgrades. IE: NO BIG WINGS!!!   Let me know, any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Replies to this message: JBaumgart (Jan 25, 2006 7:45 pm)
#66 of 186 Re: GOT A FEW TEST DRIVES LINED UP [dowright82] by JBaumgart Jan 25, 2006 (7:45 pm)
Replying to: dowright82 (Jan 25, 2006 1:58 pm) Good choices - please post back here after your test drives and tell us what you think of each one and how they compare to one another. Of those listed, I would think the Accord would offer the best ride and the most room, but will it be sporty enough for you?
#67 of 186 2006 Civic Si on order by macydog Jan 25, 2006 (8:57 pm)
I live in Minneapolis, MN and I just put a down payment on a 06 Civic Si from a local Honda dealer. I hear about people paying well over MSRP in certain area.....just FYI..the dealership I went to is selling them at MSRP which is reasonable for a quality car that has a high demand. He did freely admit Honda is releasing very few cars to keep price artificalliy high, which I am sure suprises no one who is reading this forum. But I was suprised he admitted it, he was a younger guy that looked like he had just put his suf board in the closet or something. The Finance guys at the honda dealers are idiots, like I have never experienced the hard sell before. I literally laughed at him. He gave me a look like he wanted to choke me...ha ha Cant wait for my new ride
#68 of 186 what civic by xkiddx13 Jan 27, 2006 (9:18 am)
if your talking about the ne SI that blows the Tc out of the water... in looks and in every other aspect.
#69 of 186 THE DRIVES by dowright82 Jan 27, 2006 (11:22 am)
Hey guys! Thanks so much for all of the information! ---------------------- THE CIVIC SI ---------------------- I drove the SI first. I was wrong, it was actually a cobalt grey color that was suprisingly nice. Great looking car.    My first impression of the car was as I got into the driver seat and closed the door. Talk about smooth. The door closes like a 50,000 BMW. Great build quality, I was smiling already. Also (I'm 6'0") I was suprised as to how perfectly the new zany dash layout worked for me (the steering wheel went right where it was supposed to go.) I do agree about the seatbelt though, you really do have to reach WAY back there for it.    Anyway - on to the driving experience. From 6800 to what seems like 8100 rpms, the motor screams. I've driven nothing but V8's my whole life, so I'm accustomed to torque. I Was very worried about the 135 lb/ft of torque, but in this agile little car, it didn't seem to be an issue! I love it.    this car had no nav, and no performance tires. THE DEALER offered me 19990 PLUS a "touch of class" fee of $1995 which he described as "paint preparation and scotch guard". I laughed in his face and told him that he had one chance to shoot me straight and he once again bs'ed me so I got up and walked out without looking back.    Found the same car closer to my house for right at MSRP with no bs fees.    ------------------------------------- ACCORD 6-speed MT- EX ------------------------------------- Chose the si over the accord. I'm 23 years old, and granted that its fast, powerful, responsive, black and a coupe, I could help but feel like I was 35 or so when I drove it. It feels SO much heavier than the SI, which of course, it is. I would absolutely be all over this car if I was 10 years older and married. Its very smooth, but doesn't really feel SPORTY.    On another note, the new Nav system is not great, but it is the best NAV system I have played with. I still don't understand why people order NAV systems when you can get such a BETTER system from GARMIN that is a TOUCHSCREEN for half the price of the pre-installed factory system.    Great car, just too old for me.    TOMORROW I DRIVE THE OTHER CARS!!!! Replies to this message: midnightcowboy (Jan 27, 2006 11:45 am) dowright82 (Jan 27, 2006 12:32 pm)
#70 of 186 Re: THE DRIVES [dowright82] by midnightcowboy Jan 27, 2006 (11:45 am)
Replying to: dowright82 (Jan 27, 2006 11:22 am) Dowright82:   Thanks for the great reviews.   I am an old guy and I like the 2005 6-speed Accord Coupe; my first new car was a 4-speed 1970 442. However, I am still very young at heart and I have a 6-speed Rallye Red 2006 SI on order for "fun". I plan to change exhaust and add cold air intake.   Good luck on your car quest. I think you have already driven the best on you list. Let me know how you like spooling up the WRX. And when you go to VW, ask to meet their service manager and look at how dirty their service area is (that is unless it is different from all other VW service areas I have been too). You will probably like the drive and feel of the VW though, just remember reliability and future service.   Going to a car show tomorrow to look at the car you really want a $91K BMW M6.   Double Sixes,   MidCow Replies to this message: dowright82 (Jan 27, 2006 12:32 pm)

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