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Honda Civic Coupe vs. Scion tC

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What is this discussion about? Honda Civic, Scion tC, Coupe


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Re: Which one is cheaper? [kenlw] by eldaino
Apr 30, 2007 (6:27 am)
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Replying to: kenlw (Apr 27, 2007 6:12 pm)

dont feel bad ken, you made the right choice!
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Re: Tc is a hackjob [ill_ivtec] by toshi1
May 01, 2007 (8:52 pm)
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Replying to: ill_ivtec (Dec 01, 2005 11:30 am)

I know that turbo set up for the si is nice but i have to dis agree. At the time my tc just had a borla exhaust on it and i ate a 05 si at a 1/4 mile track a few times and it had I/H/E. Everyone know that was hondas step child but they do handle alot better than a tc. In my opinion get the new si for racing because with cams full exhaust intake and A/F management those have run low 14s with 220hp. Still you come out more expensive than a turbo tc but you will have a more reliable caily criver. On the other hand for a daily driver i couldnt deal with the tourqueless monster the si was. I test drove one and i got tired of downshifting to pass cars on the high way and when vtec kicks in i love the destinctive sound but its too loud compared to the predesesors. Im getting the best of both worlds though. My tc has a little go but nothing to brag about at all but then im building a 2000 gsr right now which stock beats the tc by about a car and some change. Tc's not a race car but if you put in the wrench time it can be easy. Just up to you if you want to boost your DD and worry about the countless problems you could run into if you're not FI inclined. Thats my $.02
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Re: Tc is a hackjob [toshi1] by eldaino
May 02, 2007 (5:27 am)
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Replying to: toshi1 (May 01, 2007 8:52 pm)

the 05 si was nothing to write home about. it had the worst applied k20 ever. Great for a regular civic, bad for a car that says its the 'sport' version.
 
I agree that honda built the new si with tuners predominately in mind, thats why it doesnt' do so amazing in stock form other than the great handling.
 
Here we go with the vtec kicking in. Yes there are cam stages, but vtec is not totally inatctive like on the b series engine that your gsr probably has. Vtec is pretty much dead until it kicks in in the higher rpm ranges; i-vteck works differently. It has stages, but is always there.
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Tc is a hackjob by frago
May 28, 2007 (11:15 am)
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Been really looking at these two vehicles but have yet not be able to drive a TC. The dealer cannot keep them in stock , all are pre oprdered.
Driven the Civic coupe and it was shockingly horrible. Never owned a Honda so I guess I dont share the fanboy goggles as some others.
The interior of the Civic is horrid. The dash is bigger than an old ford aerostar minivan and the windshield laid just as flat. In my opinion they completely destroyed the Civic interior and the exterior is nothing great either. That two tier dash is the absolute most ridiculous looking thing Ive ever seen in a car. Even the Xb funky dash blows it away.
When I was done with the test drive I ran away as fast as I could. That car is just hideous, and seels on nameplate alone.
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yeah, right.... by kenlw
May 28, 2007 (1:23 pm)
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to each his own. Some of us just are better judges of design....
 
dealers here have tons of TCs. Heavily discounted.
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Re: yeah, right.... [kenlw] by mark19
May 28, 2007 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: kenlw (May 28, 2007 1:23 pm)

kenlw- you're mistaken, there are no "heavily discounted" Scions. It's a pure price, no haggling, like Saturn is.
 
Might want to check the facts before you say things that are not true.
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Re: Tc is a hackjob [frago] by thegraduate
May 28, 2007 (3:17 pm)
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Replying to: frago (May 28, 2007 11:15 am)

Ok, so you don't like the Civic interior. What did you think of the "DRIVE" part of your test drive, or could you not get past the dash?
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Re: Tc is a hackjob [eldaino] by vviley
May 29, 2007 (4:57 am)
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Replying to: eldaino (May 02, 2007 5:27 am)

I think that it might be more clear if you were more specific about *what* is always there. I was under the impression that the valve lift is set up in stages (until A-VTEC comes out), but that the timing of the camshaft is what was continuously adjusted.
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Re: Tc is a hackjob [vviley] by eldaino
May 29, 2007 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: vviley (May 29, 2007 4:57 am)

you just described ivtec. If the timing of the camshaft is continusously adjusted, it has to always be engaged to do so.
 
With b series vtec it doesn't do that until you are revving the engine up until its peak powerband.
 
i vtec may have stages, but its still working in low rpms. With older vtec is limited to the right side of your tach.
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Re: Tc is a hackjob [frago] by eldaino
May 29, 2007 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: frago (May 28, 2007 11:15 am)

seels on namplate alone huh? Sorry, although the world is composed of various idiots, many of them DONT drive civics.
 
If the civic is so horrible, why is the Tc a hack job? Hmm...someone has no idea what they are talking about.
 
The aerostar comparsion was cute, but totally inaccurate.
 
The dash in the xb being way better? For someone who dislikes polarizing dash designs, i'm suprised a guage mounted TOTALLY out of your natural line of sight was appealing at all.

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