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Honda Civic Coupe vs. Scion tC

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Re: tc vs civic [eldaino] by thegraduate
Jan 26, 2007 (12:10 pm)
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Replying to: eldaino (Jan 26, 2007 11:48 am)

OH and looks are highly subjective. BUt the tc does look way more mainstream.
 
I don't mod cars, but it seems to me the point of it is to NOT have a mainstream looking car.
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Re: tc vs civic [thegraduate] by eldaino
Jan 31, 2007 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 26, 2007 12:10 pm)

sometimes. but not always. Some of the most revered tuners are the ones whose cars look completley stock, with very small visual enhancements like a little bit of chassis lowering and not to flashy but good looking rims. All the work goes into the engine and drivetrain. Hence the 'tuning' aspect of it. Anyone can paint a car a silly color or put a awful muffler on it. (don't get me started on neon lights.)
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Which one is cheaper? by slerp
Apr 27, 2007 (12:33 pm)
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I am looking into purchasing one of these. I love both of them but I am constricted by a $15,000 max budget. Would I be able to get either a civic LX coupe or scion tc (looking for auto) for that price? If not which one would I be able to get for less? Thanks
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Re: Which one is cheaper? [slerp] by thegraduate
Apr 27, 2007 (4:28 pm)
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Replying to: slerp (Apr 27, 2007 12:33 pm)

Scion dealers do not negotiate. Their prices are firm, something that more than one Toyota/Scion dealer told me. I don't think you'll be getting either car for under $15,000 brand new. You may find a one-year old used one for that, although I wouldn't get your hopes too high. Both of these are closer to $17k-$18k. A Civic DX is under $15,000, but is not very well equipped.
 
Are these the only two cars you are considering? For under $15k, you are more in line with subcompacts such as the Honda Fit, Toyota Yaris, and Nissan Versa if you are after a Japanese car. If you can stand a 4-door, the Hyundai Elantra offers a LOT of bang for the buck, with a midsize interior and a price around $15,000 nicely (if not ornately) equipped.
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Re: Which one is cheaper? [thegraduate] by kenlw
Apr 27, 2007 (6:12 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 27, 2007 4:28 pm)

We looked and drove both (07) Tc and Civic EX. The Tc is more torquey, has more power, and it is very noticeable (both auto).
 
Mileage isn't even close tho, and that was big on our list. To be fair, so far the Civic isn't getting anywhere near rating, but I would expect the Tc to be off proportionally as well. But at only 30 highway, heck, my 200k mile v6 Camry did almost that good!
 
The Tc felt front heavy and not very nimble. The styling is a bit lackluster (all IMHO) and the waisteline (the lower edge of the side windows) is much too high visually. Looks are very important to me.
 
The driver's foot areas seemed cramped on the Tc, and I'm only 5-7. The driver's area just felt a bit crowded and it seemed like i was sitting in a bathtub. A very deep bathtub, and the bottom edge of the window seemed very high when hanging the arm out, uncomfortable even. Of course, I could have moved the seat up (assuming it does as on the CIvic), but then the headroom whould have been even worse. Visibility was a lot worse in the rear quarters, tho part of that could be just me and my preference for sitting on the ground.....
 
The Tc is definitely a good value, and can be had for almost 5k less. And the power differences are significant, and coming from that v6 Camry that was appealing. I've had 3 Camrys and a Highlander. I've never owned a Honda until now. I don't regret it one bit, altho it cost consideably more than a Tc. I just feel the Civic is a lot more car.
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Re: Which one is cheaper? [kenlw] by eldaino
Apr 30, 2007 (6:27 am)
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Replying to: kenlw (Apr 27, 2007 6:12 pm)

dont feel bad ken, you made the right choice!
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Re: Tc is a hackjob [ill_ivtec] by toshi1
May 01, 2007 (8:52 pm)
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Replying to: ill_ivtec (Dec 01, 2005 11:30 am)

I know that turbo set up for the si is nice but i have to dis agree. At the time my tc just had a borla exhaust on it and i ate a 05 si at a 1/4 mile track a few times and it had I/H/E. Everyone know that was hondas step child but they do handle alot better than a tc. In my opinion get the new si for racing because with cams full exhaust intake and A/F management those have run low 14s with 220hp. Still you come out more expensive than a turbo tc but you will have a more reliable caily criver. On the other hand for a daily driver i couldnt deal with the tourqueless monster the si was. I test drove one and i got tired of downshifting to pass cars on the high way and when vtec kicks in i love the destinctive sound but its too loud compared to the predesesors. Im getting the best of both worlds though. My tc has a little go but nothing to brag about at all but then im building a 2000 gsr right now which stock beats the tc by about a car and some change. Tc's not a race car but if you put in the wrench time it can be easy. Just up to you if you want to boost your DD and worry about the countless problems you could run into if you're not FI inclined. Thats my $.02
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Re: Tc is a hackjob [toshi1] by eldaino
May 02, 2007 (5:27 am)
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Replying to: toshi1 (May 01, 2007 8:52 pm)

the 05 si was nothing to write home about. it had the worst applied k20 ever. Great for a regular civic, bad for a car that says its the 'sport' version.
 
I agree that honda built the new si with tuners predominately in mind, thats why it doesnt' do so amazing in stock form other than the great handling.
 
Here we go with the vtec kicking in. Yes there are cam stages, but vtec is not totally inatctive like on the b series engine that your gsr probably has. Vtec is pretty much dead until it kicks in in the higher rpm ranges; i-vteck works differently. It has stages, but is always there.
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Tc is a hackjob by frago
May 28, 2007 (11:15 am)
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Been really looking at these two vehicles but have yet not be able to drive a TC. The dealer cannot keep them in stock , all are pre oprdered.
Driven the Civic coupe and it was shockingly horrible. Never owned a Honda so I guess I dont share the fanboy goggles as some others.
The interior of the Civic is horrid. The dash is bigger than an old ford aerostar minivan and the windshield laid just as flat. In my opinion they completely destroyed the Civic interior and the exterior is nothing great either. That two tier dash is the absolute most ridiculous looking thing Ive ever seen in a car. Even the Xb funky dash blows it away.
When I was done with the test drive I ran away as fast as I could. That car is just hideous, and seels on nameplate alone.
#137 of 186
yeah, right.... by kenlw
May 28, 2007 (1:23 pm)
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to each his own. Some of us just are better judges of design....
 
dealers here have tons of TCs. Heavily discounted.

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