Last post on Aug 24, 2006 at 12:03 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Toyota Corolla, Toyota ECHO, Honda Civic, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Sedan
#26 of 51 Re: want a manual? [nippononly]
Jan 27, 2006 (6:37 am)
Echo LOL. I never considered a Echo, even the new restyled ones still look funky. There are all sorts of issues from handling, to display layout, etc ; there is a reason why Toyota is dropping the Echo. A good Toyota choice would be the 5-speed Corolla CE or the snazzy looking S model.
Another choice would be the 5-speed Scion xA or xB.
I liked the 2005 Honda Civic Hybrid and though about getting one. But i waited too long the 2006 HCH is CVT only. And perfomance pretty slow.
The Hyundai Elantra 5-speed is a choice for some. Hyundai relability has significantly improved recently and it has a fairly low TCO.
The 5-speed Honda Insight is the mileage leader and I seriously considered ordering on for $400 over invoice. And the Prius is the highest mileage sedan and has hatchback utility. My wife said the performance would not be enough for Houston traffic for the Insight, Prius or HCHand what about the 2006 Civic Si ? So now I have a Rallye Red Si on order for my commuter car.
The title of this thread is very deceptive ?
Is is sedan only ? (probably yes)
Is it highest mileage only or should TCO be considered?
(probably yes , even though it goes against title)
You know you can get a basic Cobalt or Aveo or Rio really really cheap? But sometimes cheap begets cheap!
Then there is new versus used? A good used Corolla or Civic might make the most sense.
Aspirations: manual shift, relability, fun (performance, handling), looks, features, TCO
#28 of 51 Re: If fuel economy is the only thing you are interest in ... [midnightcowboy]
Jan 27, 2006 (9:30 am)
then it is a no-brainer : Get a Prius!
Are Prius available for $8,000 or less?
#29 of 51 Re: want a manual? [midnightcowboy]
Jan 27, 2006 (11:57 am)
I agree: Echo, LOL.
Having said that, they are not dropping this model, merely changing the name to match what it already is in the rest of the world - the Yaris. For the next-gen, due out in April, they are trading out the 2-door coupe for a 2-door hatch in the hopes it will sell better as hatchback sales have proliferated again since Y2K. There will still be a 4-door sedan, and it will still be pretty much the best choice you have in a gas-only car (here I am talking FE using EPA ratings).
"There are all sorts of issues from handling, to display layout, etc ; there is a reason why Toyota is dropping the Echo"
Handling is decent even with the older model I have with the skinny tires - beginning in '03 they made 15" rims optional with larger tires, which improved handling quite a bit I am sure, and yet maintained the EPA rating of the older cars. As for the dash layout, it will not change when the next-gen car arrives this year. Still center-mount IP.
No, I don't think we are STRICTLY sedan here, as there are good 5-door hatchbacks out there too, performing roughly the same mission. But forget SUVs and minivans, that sort of thing.
I THOUGHT it was highest fuel economy only - TCO is such an improbable guess most of the time. I assume we could consider new or used.
#30 of 51 Re: If fuel economy is the only thing you are interest in ... [moparbad]
Jan 27, 2006 (12:10 pm)
Yes, but not new ones! You can buy a used prius for $8,000 if you want a Gen I with lots of miles.
The title of the thread is the best mileage sedan, not the best mileage for the money sedan or lowest TCO sedan.
Now the best fun per dollar car is another story
#31 of 51 Re: want a manual? [nippononly]
Feb 26, 2006 (12:40 pm)
its hard to beleive u are getting 39 mpg in town with AC on come on be real even the hybrids dont do that
#32 of 51 Re: want a manual? [lightout]
Feb 26, 2006 (10:10 pm)
Well what do you want me to say? I have been measuring it, and now after several thousand miles the average is just about 39.5 mpg. I don't get down to the last hundredth or anything, just round to 0.5.
There hasn't been much A/C use except for the defrost which I run every morning on the way to work and most times it rains, which has been on and off. I don't think the compressor runs as much on defrost cycle as it does when you are cooling the car down.
I should add that 39 is exactly what I would expect to get in around-town driving in a car rated 34/41, based on 20 years of driving experience and many different cars of various EPA ratings. Or at least, I would EXPECT 38 and HOPE for 39-40!
Mar 06, 2006 (8:51 pm)
My dad has a 05 S with an auto, and it gets a consistent 39.
My old 85 with a manual and 70hp got 42.
So to almost have double the hp and get similar mileage is cool.
Mar 07, 2006 (8:29 am)
your dad is doing well, what with the Corolla rated 30/38.
They say the new Camry hybrid will have a 41.5 mpg combined rating. Of course, being a hybrid, I don't suppose anyone will get that figure. But if it could pull a solid 35 mpg week in and week out, that would be close to 20% better than the 4-cyl gas, and only 10% less than some of these smaller cars like Echo and Corolla. In such a big car, that would be impressive. Too big a car for me though!
Mar 10, 2006 (10:59 pm)
I test drove one yesterday while my xB was getting an oil change. Its alot more sportier and it really rides good, but compared to my xB its Huge. However, you should see my xB and my Tundra beside each other in the garage. Someday, I wouldn't mine having one to replace the 95 someday in the future. I am going to see how far I can drive the 95 Corolla.