Last post on Aug 24, 2006 at 12:03 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Toyota Corolla, Toyota ECHO, Honda Civic, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Sedan
#22 of 51 Dont Listen To Edmunds About The ECHO
Jan 13, 2006 (6:14 pm)
>As for the ECHO this page (Edmunds review of the ECHO) pretty much turned me against it.< IGNORE what Edmunds has to say about the ECHO. They are the ONLY source I have read that has panned it. Every other writer has nothing but praise for it. There is nothing wrong with its handling. There is nothing wrong with it having 14 inch wheels. Ive had mine for over five years now and its still wonderfull to drive. No problems at all. NOT ONE. I get 40 mpg driving it six miles to work. (in the summer) Its amazing all the things it does so well. You would do better to read the comments of the ECHO owners. Almost no one has anything bad to say about it. It gives me the creeps to have someone post they have discounted the ECHO because of Edmunds article about it. That article is widely recognized as one of if not THE most infamous article written in the last 25 years about a car.
#23 of 51 Re: Looks like finding a replacement econo-box is going to be a tough task
Jan 16, 2006 (6:07 pm)
have you thought about the chevy aveo.I recently purchaced one and love it.Start brand new for a little over 9 grand.
#24 of 51 If fuel economy is the only thing you are interest in ...
Jan 25, 2006 (8:54 am)
then it is a no-brainer : Get a Prius!
It won't be the lowest TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) but that is not the subject of this thread.
I couldn't get a Prius because I never learned to drive an automatic
A shifting man,
Jan 25, 2006 (9:35 pm)
get an Echo - I have had mine a couple of weeks and 1000 miles now, and it is averaging 39 mpg around town, A/C often running with the defrost, mixed suburban driving. And with the price differential between it and a Prius, you could buy enough gas to drive a Hummer all the way around the world!
Yes, yes, the Echo is gone now, although there are used ones out there for the taking. Or you could wait about three months and get a Yaris, with the same powertrain and estimated by Toyota to make the same fuel economy.
#26 of 51 Re: want a manual? [nippononly]
Jan 27, 2006 (6:37 am)
Echo LOL. I never considered a Echo, even the new restyled ones still look funky. There are all sorts of issues from handling, to display layout, etc ; there is a reason why Toyota is dropping the Echo. A good Toyota choice would be the 5-speed Corolla CE or the snazzy looking S model.
Another choice would be the 5-speed Scion xA or xB.
I liked the 2005 Honda Civic Hybrid and though about getting one. But i waited too long the 2006 HCH is CVT only. And perfomance pretty slow.
The Hyundai Elantra 5-speed is a choice for some. Hyundai relability has significantly improved recently and it has a fairly low TCO.
The 5-speed Honda Insight is the mileage leader and I seriously considered ordering on for $400 over invoice. And the Prius is the highest mileage sedan and has hatchback utility. My wife said the performance would not be enough for Houston traffic for the Insight, Prius or HCHand what about the 2006 Civic Si ? So now I have a Rallye Red Si on order for my commuter car.
The title of this thread is very deceptive ?
Is is sedan only ? (probably yes)
Is it highest mileage only or should TCO be considered?
(probably yes , even though it goes against title)
You know you can get a basic Cobalt or Aveo or Rio really really cheap? But sometimes cheap begets cheap!
Then there is new versus used? A good used Corolla or Civic might make the most sense.
Aspirations: manual shift, relability, fun (performance, handling), looks, features, TCO
#28 of 51 Re: If fuel economy is the only thing you are interest in ... [midnightcowboy]
Jan 27, 2006 (9:30 am)
then it is a no-brainer : Get a Prius!
Are Prius available for $8,000 or less?
#29 of 51 Re: want a manual? [midnightcowboy]
Jan 27, 2006 (11:57 am)
I agree: Echo, LOL.
Having said that, they are not dropping this model, merely changing the name to match what it already is in the rest of the world - the Yaris. For the next-gen, due out in April, they are trading out the 2-door coupe for a 2-door hatch in the hopes it will sell better as hatchback sales have proliferated again since Y2K. There will still be a 4-door sedan, and it will still be pretty much the best choice you have in a gas-only car (here I am talking FE using EPA ratings).
"There are all sorts of issues from handling, to display layout, etc ; there is a reason why Toyota is dropping the Echo"
Handling is decent even with the older model I have with the skinny tires - beginning in '03 they made 15" rims optional with larger tires, which improved handling quite a bit I am sure, and yet maintained the EPA rating of the older cars. As for the dash layout, it will not change when the next-gen car arrives this year. Still center-mount IP.
No, I don't think we are STRICTLY sedan here, as there are good 5-door hatchbacks out there too, performing roughly the same mission. But forget SUVs and minivans, that sort of thing.
I THOUGHT it was highest fuel economy only - TCO is such an improbable guess most of the time. I assume we could consider new or used.
#30 of 51 Re: If fuel economy is the only thing you are interest in ... [moparbad]
Jan 27, 2006 (12:10 pm)
Yes, but not new ones! You can buy a used prius for $8,000 if you want a Gen I with lots of miles.
The title of the thread is the best mileage sedan, not the best mileage for the money sedan or lowest TCO sedan.
Now the best fun per dollar car is another story
#31 of 51 Re: want a manual? [nippononly]
Feb 26, 2006 (12:40 pm)
its hard to beleive u are getting 39 mpg in town with AC on come on be real even the hybrids dont do that