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#641 of 853 Re: o2 sensor + power steering pressure switch Dodge Durango Nightmare [flagpage]
Sep 19, 2008 (10:06 am)
HUGE thanks to this site and all who posted regarding the "O2 Sensor + Power Steering Pressure Switch Nightmare". My 2000 Durango, with the 4.7L engine, has recently suffered the same symptoms described in many other posts. Black sooty exhaust, horrible fuel mileage, engine light on, and sluggish when running. I took it to the dealership and was given an estimate of $700 to replace both of my O2 sensors, the power steering switch, spark plugs, and perform a "superinduction injection flush". Obviously, after investigating on my own and reading the posts here, I learned that none of that would have resolved the problem without the ground wire being changed. It saved me a ton of money, time, and frustration with the "we can try this" or "we think it could be" that dealerships love to hand out. My truck has 100,000 plus miles on it and I'm not planning on dishing out that kind of cash on repairs. I disconnected the upstream O2 sensor and she runs great. Fuel mileage is right back where it should be. No hesitation or sluggish feeling. Most of all...no more exhaust fumes while driving! Plan to take it to a "mechanically inclined" friend of mine this weekend who can fix the whole issue for approximately $250. That includes parts and his labor. For now, I'm just gonna run it as is with the disconnected sensor. Never trusted the dealerships anyways. The majority of them do treat women as if we are completely clueless. $700??? Are they crazy?? I need that money to get my hair and nails done!! LOL!!!
#642 of 853 Re: o2 sensor + power steering pressure switch Dodge Durango Nightmare [julia1974]
Sep 19, 2008 (4:25 pm)
Glad to see you found this information before getting taken by the dealer. I my case it was even worse. I knew what the problem was and told the dealer Lithia Dodge of Klamath Falls, OR what I wanted done. I had to special order the bypass wire ($90) and ordered the upstream and downstream o2 sensors from them (at twice the price of an auto part chain store like pep boys) all this so they would do the labor. Total cost $800. Problem is they never installed the bypass wiring- the mechanic said I didn't need it- that it was just an "extension wire" for the o2 sensor and not my problem, Instead told me I may have an exhaust leak or my PCM damaged etc. etc. (trying to extract alot more money for" try this and try that" repairs like you mentioned). I asked for the bypass wiring be returned and he said "I used it" but when I pressed him about the if he bypassed the sensor ground he repeated "that's not the problem". See most of the dodge dealer's "certified repair techs" don't know about the problem and they think the customer is stupid and they think they know everything. There are many stories about people taking their cars in to the dealers for this problem and having to bring it back in 5 or more times (paying dearly at each return visit for work not needed) before in frustration one of the mechanics would call the corporate repair headquarters and find out about this unique flaw in this one make and model year of the durango. I still drive mine with the o2 sensor disconnected. I have filed a written complaint with the Lithia Dodge Corporation specifically for charging me for the o2 bypass wiring and not installing it or returning the part. Are you planning on doing your repair by the book ie; using the bypass wire from dodge and routing inside the harness or just doing it using your own wiring? Also you really only need to replace the right upstream o2 sensor on the engine side of the cat, not both right side sensors. and you also don't have to mess with the left side o2 sensor either unless of course these sensors were damaged due to the black soot or age. If you have your engine light comes on after your repairs get readings from an OBD meter and let me know what they are before you proceed. Good luck. Please keep us apprised of your repair methods and results. alot of people including me who would like to know.
Sep 19, 2008 (4:41 pm)
forgot to mention- replace your power steering sensor also. that it were the leak into the wiring came from in the first place. if you need more info on the how or why on this message me back.
#644 of 853 Extended warranty
Oct 03, 2008 (7:32 am)
Hi, I just got a used 2003 Dodge Durango SUV today.
I want to get an extended warranty on that.
Which company has the best extended warranty?Are 3rd party warranties better than Dealer/Factory warranties?Is Warrantydirect.com a reliable agency?They have some nice deals with pretty decent coverage.Any other suggestions?
#645 of 853 Re: 2000 durango shuts off while driving [lucyneedshelp]
Oct 10, 2008 (1:21 pm)
Did you ever get this resolved? The same problem started on my 1999 Durango 2 weeks ago and my mechanic can't find anything wrong.
#646 of 853 Re: 2000 durango shuts off while driving [deyoung1111]
Oct 11, 2008 (1:12 am)
So...I talked to a lot of people and did a lot of research on my own and never found a way to fix it. I changed all the sensors and the chip, among a few things. I was told that kind of problem was pretty common among 1999 and 2000 Durangos; that because of the way the fuel injection system was set up the fuel filter would get sucked into the injection system and the car would knock off, then it would be released back down and the car would be able to start. I changed the fuel injection system and it still stalled. Finally, I was told that it was that it needed a new harness which holds all the wires going to the chip and possibly all new wiring as well. I just couldn't it anymore and recently sold it for only $1000 to a mechanic who said he could fix it with no problem...ran into him the other day and he is also now trying to sell it. Of all the research I did on the problem and contacting other people with the same problem, there were only 2 people I found that were able to fix it, and they both only changed the sensors. So, good luck with that...I'm jaded already...I'd say to just move on, try to get rid of it and get another car. It seems like taking a loss, but believe me with the amount of money I spent in fixing it all the time and borrowing cars....I could've gotten another car. I depleted my savings on the Durango thinking that the next thing would fix it and it'd be okay but it never did and now I have no car at all and can't afford to get another one right now....gotta save some money first.
#647 of 853 Re: starting problem [kink]
Oct 13, 2008 (4:47 pm)
I have a 2001 Durango SLT with the same problem. When I crank the eng the first time it does not start. But on the second time it starts and idels rough. Did you ever get yours fixed and if so what was the problem?
#648 of 853 Re: 2000 durango shuts off while driving [lucyneedshelp]
Oct 21, 2008 (11:53 am)
I finally spent the big bucks and replaced the PCM for $600+ last week. The problem has not reappeared.
#649 of 853 Re: All 2000 Durango 4.7L Owners [aray2]
Oct 24, 2008 (1:51 pm)
I assume that this is the same for a 2000 Dakota. I cut the white wire between the O2 sensor and connector and attached to a new ground. Still smells rich when running. Any other ideas for PO171 error?
#650 of 853 code 0700
Nov 12, 2008 (9:15 pm)
I have a 2000 Dodge Durango with 161000 miles. It is in great condition but the cel came on and it has a hard downshift from 3rd to 2nd and then once you come to a stop it has a smaller but still hard downshift from 2nd to 1st gear. I replaced the input and output sensors but the problem is still there. HELP ME!!!