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Chevrolet Silverado 1500, GMC Sierra 1500, Truck
#42 of 708 Re: Go with the Chevy [79customd]
Jan 06, 2006 (8:52 pm)
Well, it sure is great to be on a message board with "real" chevy lovers. Anyway, I have a 1999 silverado 1500 with 160,000 miles. I've only had two problems with it in the past 6+ years, and those are replacing the transmission and brakes, everything else works perfectly, and I have driven this thing hard. Besides Fords have been known to have problems within just a few days after they role off the showroom floor, and I'm not exaggerating, becuase my Dad has been a mechanic for almost 30 years and he agrees with everything I'm saying. I guess I have to say I agree with what you said about the only reason why Fords outsell chevys in that they break down so quickly that you have to keep buying a new one over and over again. Sure Fords were good at one time. like 30 years ago, but not anymore. Anyway, why else would the name it Ford (Found On Road Dead)ha, just kidding. I have some friends who are chevy fans and some who are Ford fags. One of the "Ford fags" was trying to back up the recall claim for the f-150's cruise control being known to catch on fire, by saying, "Yeah so, they have a fix for it anyway." So, I replied and said,"Well, if you had of gotten a chevy in you wouldn't have to worry about that problem in the first place." Besides, what recall has the silverado had recently, a tailgate misfunction? Listen, I've had my truck for over 6 years and my tailgate is in perfect condition, it might be because people load to heavy of objects on the tailgate, or it's just a bunch of fat asses jumping on the tailgate, sorry if I offended anyone out there, until it gives way, and when you look at it, what's worse a truck who's cruise control can catch on fire and cause the whole truck to explode, or a tailgate failure? Exactly, and that's why I only like Chevy's and GMCs. I mean if I had to choose between a brand new Ford f-150, a brand new Dodge Ram Hemi, and a silverado with 12,000 or more miles on it, I would, without even a second thought, go with the chevy, and I know any true chevy fan would do the same thing. My dad did have a 2003 silverado 3/4 ton with the duramax diesel that had over 9,000 miles on it, which is nothing for a diesel, until his idiot nephew totaled the thing. What I can't seem to understand is that some people who own the same trucks as me and my dad have all of these problems, where as I haven't had hardly any problems at all. I mean my Dad has been a mechanic for about 30 years and I have been working with him since I was 9 years old, I'm 17 by the way, and he and I both know it all depends on how good and often you do maintenence on it, how hard you drive it, and the climate and conditions you're experiencing. I had this friend of mine who says that some friend of his had an 04 chevy 3/4 ton with a duramax. He says the guy had numerous problems with his transmisson, and turns out he was using the wrong transmission oil, dumbass. Besides, every one of those trucks in stock form are identical, so any problems are pretty much 85% the owner's fault in my opinion. I even had another Ford fag telling me that his dad's truck can beat mine, and mine tops out at over 145 mph w/o the governor of course, enough to keep up with a Ford Lightning. I asked what kind of truck he had, and he said he had a Ford super duty with the Powerstroke. Then I asked him if he done any mods to it, and he said no. So I said to him, " Do you really think your dad's truck, which ways about 1,000 punds more than mine, has less horsepower, mine has about 330 hp, thanks to a flowmaster dual exhaust, is going to beat my truck in a race, and can accelerate from 0-60 in about 6.5 seconds? I don't think so." Anyway, enough about other people's trucks. About my 1999 silverado. I have been wanting to swap out the old 5.3 for a 454 and either a BM turbo 400 or turbo 700 auto tranny, and was wandering if that's even possible, and what would I need to do to my suspension because I want to use an ATI procharger set up. Well, sorry about the long story, and I hope all of you stay true chevy fans, because I know I will, and I will be posting new threads here in the future, peace!!!
#43 of 708 Re: Go with the Chevy [thereisnospoon]
Jan 06, 2006 (10:23 pm)
before I begin, I want to say one thing, when it comes to power and looks, FORD DIESEL SUPER DUTY. But, if you're looking for luxury, the chevy LT (unless you're willing to pay $50k for a king ranch super duty.) I will take the king ranch super duty over a bentley in a heartbeat. why? because you can't do a damn thing in the bentley.
I've always been a ford guy, but when it came time to buy a half ton, i couldn't choose the ford lariat over the chevy LT. For the same amount of money, you get much more with the chevy. the ford is slower, sucks more gas, huge plastic door panels, and way out dated stereo system. Full power seats are not even an option. if you get heated seats, only the bottom part heats, not the back. the audio controls on the steering wheel are too far from the actual wheel. also, the mirrors, not power folding, no led inside the mirror itself, they're not auto dim either, they dont even have curb assist.
as for the chevy, FULL power bucket seats with power lumbar and full heat (on both seats). Bose stereo with sub built in the center console (instead of under the rear seat taking up storage space) and tweeters on the A pillars. rear audio controls (not that i'll ever use them, just nice to have)rear ac vents, power folding mirrors with built in turn signals, auto dim, and curb assist. Let me start on the onstar, amazing option. Hands free, voice activated SATELLITE PHONE for when i'm out in the country and most cell carriers don't get signal, my onstar phone works perfect. locked out? no problem. onstar unlocks the doors. Check engine light on? onstar will tell you what's wrong with your truck without even opening the hood. Another thing, I love white trucks, chevy's summit white is much whiter than ford's oxford white, which looks yellowish next to a chevy. Chevy has dual climate controls. Satellite radio since '03 as for ford it just became available for '06.
I love ford, but for a $38k sticker price on both fully loaded, ford is still in the 1990's.
the ram has a nice bodystyle, but the interior is worse than ford. also it depreciates faster than anything. i feel sorry for the people that bought the chrysler 300. what were they thinking, ITS A CHRYSLER!!!!!!!! you owe more than its worth.
ps. the fog lights on the silverado are waaaaaaaaaaay brighter than ford's.
ps2 - nissan and toyota just have to go back to japan. the toyota is a damn shame, no difference from a corolla in the interior. honda ridgeline, not full size, go compete with the colorado and the ranger.
#44 of 708 Re: Go with the Chevy [txpimp]
Jan 09, 2006 (7:26 am)
Alright. I had to join in just to give my opinion of the Chevrolet/Sierra against the Fords and Dodges.
I dont know what to say about the Ram. I had one, new in 96 and it was a great truck. A little pricey but I never had any problems. It was a lease so I turned it in and just drove my wifes Expedition cause she bought a new Maxima in 2000.
The F-150 is a whole nother animal. My family all bought 150's when they came out it 97. A extended cab 4.6, and regular cab 4.6 4x4, a extended cab 4.2 work truck and a regluar cab 4.2 work truck and I bought a 5.4 4X4 Epedition in late 97. The only one that remains is the 4.6 regular cab 4X4 and that is because it is hardly used. It has about 38000 miles on it and it is my father in laws farm truck. All of them have had problems with IAC sensors, IPS sensors and a host of head gasket, and front cover gasket and oil stem seal problems. My Expedtion was the electronic transfer case and it stuck in 4 Low and would not come out and I had never switched it into 4 low, and it died on the interstate. I was going about 70 when I noticed the steering was tighter and I got no acceleration. It also did this in a parking lot as I was driving around the service department said they could not find a problem. I even got a sweet deal on a 01 XLT extended cab 4.2 to use as a commuter and although it did not have the engine problems it was a sensor nightmare. I have sworn off Fords. You can fill the pilars with foam but if you dont do something about the crappy sensors it will look pretty on the side of the road or in the service departmen and you wont be able to hear the laughter of the Chevy owners driving by. If you want a pretty truck, buy a Ford. Now the Superduty's are nice but really, a HD Silverado or Sierra will do the same job but give you more realiabilty and driveability. It is easier to drive a Sivlerado than any of the other trucks. Try loading a new F-150 and then load the same into a Silverado. The only reason ford sells more F-150's is because of government contracts, more V6 models, and Ford motor credit will finance anyone. If you can give loans to just about anyone you will sell more cars period.
My current truck is a 04 Silverado extended cab 4X2 with the 5.3 and I am impressed. It is loaded out with everything except leather and I love it. I drives very tight and handles great. On my last trip to Jacksonville I set the computer and it showed I got 20.1 mpg and that was at 70 mph. When I towed my 67 Lemans back from Kentucky last year on a trailer the truck got 16 mpg. That is no lie and all I did was install a K&N, no other mods. Back in August I was hit by a car in the front and that truck took the hit and I felt very safe. In my 01 F-150 I hit a deer at 50 mph and the whole truck shook and spun out doing a 180 and the deer only weighed about 100lbs. Although the airbags did not deploy I was able to hit the onstar button and step out of the truck to check on the other driver the operator still heard me and athorities were on the scene in 10 minutes. That right there is the reason I will buy another one in 2008. It is not the prettiest of trucks but I did not buy it to look cute. It has hauled, driven, and performed in every way I will ever need a truck and that is the problem with most folks is they have way more than they need to satify a image. Ford now has given the F150 3 valves(we have all seen the commerical) to do what the Chevy has been doing, come on, with that heavy ass truck you need to add more than another valve cause the new Chevy engine the Max is going to still clean its clock.
If you want a truck that will hold its value you will also buy a Silverado/Sierra. Due to the fact the F-150s are a dime a dozen and most are commercial, rental, goverment fleet, or stripped down V6 models make them right there with Dodge and with Dodge they have never recovered from thier reliabiltiy problems. I dont know, call me partial, but I have owned them all and the Silverado I the best on I have had. I drove a new F-150, and even the Titan and neither one felt as good as the Silverado.
All of this is just my opinion. You should always drive all the trucks mentioned to form your own. And never just take a truck down the road, drive it like you stole it, walk around it, open the tailgate, sit in the back seat so you really know what you are getting. What works for one person may not for the other.
#45 of 708 Another 2 cents worth
Jan 12, 2006 (7:20 am)
I can see that the eternal Chevy vs. Ford vs. Dodge debate is alive and well. I grew up on a farm and the John Deere vs. International vs. Case vs. Massey debates were just as spirited.
My wife and I have 3 teen-age drivers in the house and we currently own 6 vehicles. All except one a GM product. Over the years we have owned a variety of makes. Ford, Dodge, Mazda and Jeep. The best car for the money was a 1990 Ford Tempo my wife bought as her car when the kids were young. Was going strong at 150,000 miles when a young lady ran a red light, T-boned my wife and the insurance company totaled it. All I ever did to that car was regular maintenance and a new set of tires.
Until a new 2005 Tahoe followed us home this summer, all the vehicles we ever bought were used to very well used when we acquired them. I figured our average mileage per vehicle prior to getting our new Tahoe was about 120,000 miles, ranging from 60,000 on my daughter's Pontiac to 170,000 miles on our 96 Tahoe. Most of our other vehicles are in that 110,000 to 130,000 mile range. Over the years I have bought older, used Ford and GMC/Chevy trucks that I used on my small farm, hauled my tractor with, hauled our boat with, hauled firewood with, and used to go hunting and fishing with. Every truck or car I ever bought has met or exceeded my expectations, regardless of make or model.
And we are not flatland, pavement pounders. Due to my wife's job as a horticulturist and having a small farm, we use our trucks. We may not go trail-riding or rock-climbing, but we spend time out on rougher rural roads and in the dirt. Until we bought our first Tahoe, we never had a 4WD. We sort of operated under the theory that the only difference between 2WD and 4WD was about another 100 foot of tow chain.
Anyway, after 30 plus years of driving and owning about 18 cars and trucks, we have had our share of replaced fuel and water pumps, one blown head gasket, one clutch replacement, two transmission rebuilds. The first on an old Chevy pick-up in excess of 180,000 miles, the other in our 96 4WD Tahoe at 130,000 miles after my daughter toasted the tranny trying to get out of a snowbank, (remember the 100 foot of tow chain reference), a couple of alternators, a couple of axle bearings, a few u-joints, and one AC compressor.
Considering that I bought most of these vehicles with some age on them, and a few of them were running strong though they had a lot of miles on them when they got totaled in accidents, (we're not snake bit, but when you drive a $1,000 vehicle with just liability insurance and hit a deer it's just more economical to go buy another $1,000 vehicle rather than fix the one that got wrecked), I have just come to the conclusion that all these cars are pretty well made anymore. Not saying you don't get a lemon now and then, but even though I drive mostly GM products, I have had good luck with Ford and Chrysler and Mazda.
I guess it all comes down to the dealer. I have a very good Chevy/GMC dealer I buy from and that is probably why most of the vehicles I have owned have been GMC products.
Now, as far as the 2005 Tahoe goes, it is the first 0 mileage vehicle I have ever bought. I have about 7,500 on it so far and it is an amazing vehicle. I thought my 1996 Tahoe I bought used with 40,000 miles on it was a great vehicle and it hauled my family all over the eastern 2/3 of the US on vacations without any problems other than that transmission problem that was caused by a 17 year old attempting to gain off-road experience after a large snowfall, but this 2005 is all the 1996 was and then some.
That being said, nobody better knock my John Deere or I WILL be a little upset!
#46 of 708 Re: Another 2 cents worth [cphelps]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Jan 12, 2006 (7:25 am)
Hey, welcome to the Forums, and thanks for the detailed first post!
We'll try not to knock your Deere if you hang around
#47 of 708 Re: Another 2 cents worth [cphelps]
Jan 12, 2006 (10:03 am)
I read over my post and it appears that I didn't address the subject, namely pick-ups. Most of the vehicles I have owned have been Chevrolet pick-ups, starting with a 1973 3/4 ton. I currently own a 94 C2500 ext. cab that I bought in 1995. The reason I don't have any experience with the newer trucks is that this 94 is the best truck I have ever owned. It finally had its first repairs this fall when I had to put a new water pump and a new fuel pump on it. It had about 120,000 miles on it at that time. It is my daily driver to work and I use it a lot on my farm. We live in farm country, and I would say about 2/3 of the farm pick-up trucks around here are Chevrolet/GMC. But again, that may be as much due to a good Chevrolet/GMC dealer in our little town as anything. Based on my personal experience my next truck, (hopefully when I get daughter's 1 and 2 out of college in a couple of years), is going to be a new Chevrolet or GMC.
#48 of 708 Stop whizzing on each other
Jan 12, 2006 (11:48 am)
All this Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Toyota, Nissan silliness.
I use trucks for work and have owned 4 Chevys, 1 Ford, 2 Dodges, and 2 Toyotas and they all have their pros and cons.
Usually the "best" truck is one that has most recently been redesigned, since they keep getting better with each year. I've had reliable Chevys and one that died at 1200 miles. All have had at least one warranty item, some a few more, but none luckily have been lemons.
If you want the best truck ownership experience, want the truck that you like the looks of the best, or whatever, buy a new pickup and sell it yourself (not trade in) after about 3 years. You've used it during the period of warranty and least problems and before any major repairs pop up. Yet because trucks resell so well you will do ok when you sell and put that money towards the next newer improved truck. What you pay in interest and added depreciation you'll partially make up in lowered repair and maintenance costs.
Granted, driving a truck 10 years may save a few bucks, but you'll be in old technology. If you truly want "the best" you'll buy what you want and then buy another when a significantly improved model comes out.
In my business and life I can't afford downtime, period. So I keep a truck 3-4 years. By that time the design cycles have changed and there are better options out there anyway.
#49 of 708 Hope for the best
Jan 13, 2006 (7:03 am)
#50 of 708 Hope for the best
Jan 13, 2006 (7:39 am)
Let's hope GM is very aggressive with the design and options for the 2007. They need to be. Bring in an overhead cam/4 valve/cyl. engine. Be the first to make a 1/2 ton diesel. How about a 5-speed automatic for all the soccer moms(dads) that really don't use the truck to it's full potential. They need to fully box the whole frame. Offer different size(dia.)tires as an option. Take a few of these "cute" options that the other brands offer and put them out on their rigs. The mirrors definitely need to go, can't see crap behind you when you are hauling anything on a trailer.
As for the Japanese, well if you like to drive 7/8 scale vehicles then be my guest! Someday when they build a true fullsize truck, then let's compare. Poor seating position, buzzy engines, cheap plastics. The only reason anyone accepts them is because there is a Japanese name on the truck and that makes it ok.
Ford, the Triton was a joke from the day it left the blueprint!! What a wheeeezer! No torque, no power. The 4.8L GM will even out run the "mighty" 5.4 Triton. If you want something feminine, here's your vehicle.
Dodge, proof that a 10 yr. old with an erector set call sell anything to anyone. How about you boys out there with that V-10, glad you got that with 2.75/gal. gas now?
I am not a total Chevy fan, but I do own one. I think the current one is butt ugly. The next design will hopefully be a little more imaginative. I bought my '99 in Dec. of '98. Change the oil every 7500 mi. along with tire rotation. Only recall I had was for the brake line to the front calipers. Was in three times for minor warranty work. No oil pressure problems. No issues with the autotrac system not working. My major expenses have been a "redisigned" exhaust system. New set of Bridgestone All Terrain T/A's at 65,000 miles this past summer and a new battery. Did a tranny flush at 55,000 and found nothing wrong. Replaced the serpentine belt at the sametime. Took it in for a tune up this past summer-mechanic said it didn't need one-it was fine. Put in a set of 4-electrode Bosch plugs anyway.
As far as flat landers not using their trucks(yes, unfortunately I call Nebraska home)I beg to differ. First winter I had the truck we had 60" of snow and temps. as low as -30*F. Summertime temps. to 110*F. I pulled my 21' boat across the state at 75 mph on a 100* day and not a problem from the Silverado. I can only say I have not been disappointed by this vehicle. It has treated me well and vice versa.
Check out what Consumer Reports says about the Chevy, Ford and Dodge for an unbiased opinion. It's mildly surprising. As for the imports, with as much time as they have had to copy the US built equipment, you would think they could've got it right the first time.
#51 of 708 GM vs those other guys
Jan 14, 2006 (5:43 pm)
I think it's safe to say that there is no way to please all the people all the time. I like Ford exteriors and GM interiors and Toyota fit and finish and Nissan power. I guess I'd better win the lottery. I'll go drive something other than GM and think "Yeah, I like this." Then two days later I'll go drive a GM and end up buying the GM. I have become accustomed to GM after 16 years behind the wheel of various models. I think that plays the bigger part in our rivalries.