Last post on Nov 25, 2012 at 6:27 PM
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Hyundai Elantra, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Sedan
#584 of 655 Re: SD DEALER IGNORES MPG ISSUE ELANTRA [navyvet1]
Jan 10, 2012 (11:59 pm)
I know it's frustrating and unresponsive dealerships can make matters so much worse. Let's just say Hyundai, like so many other car companies, haven't quite figured out what customer service is all about. It seems to end the moment after they've sold you the car...
As far as process is concerned, you might try reading the article I posted Jan. 3 (above) about the woman who is suing in small claims over a similar issue with her Honda Civic. She's apparently an attorney and created a web site to explain the process. You don't need an attorney for small claims and the potential of actually getting financial compensation is greater than, say, a class action suit.
I don't know if that's true or not.
roadscholar3, "Hyundai Elantra Real World MPG 2011 MY and earlier" #575, 3 Jan 2012 2:32 am#MSG574
#585 of 655 Re: General question [backy]
Jan 28, 2012 (5:44 pm)
I think I'm going to do the same with my Elantra What a waste of money....
I will never buy another hyundai in my life again.
#586 of 655 Just curious
Feb 01, 2012 (7:47 am)
For those who are not getting above 30MPG on the Elantra....what does your trip computer indicate is your average miles per hour (MPH)?
Right or wrong, if its not above 45 you'll never get 40 MPG and if its lower than 30 you wont even get 29 MPG.
Somehow Hyundai has tuned these engines to achieve in road conditions that are illegal i most states (>55 MPH). High MPG is achievable if you drive above 60 for long periods of time.
When consumers read 40MPG or even 33 MPG, that should be the typical result for average driving and not require extraordinary driving technique.
#587 of 655 I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
Feb 01, 2012 (11:49 am)
I drive mainly highway miles where my speeds are between 65 - 75 mph. If I set my mpg calculator as I'm entering onto the highway and take a reading just as I'm getting off, I can usually show averages about or just above 34mpg. However if I include the short distances to get to the highway and then read the average at the end of a full day of driving which rarely if ever includes any stop&go, or bumper to bumper congestion, then I seem to average just at or below 30mpg. Again, most (about 85%) of my daily driving is on highways, and the rest is on noncongested roads. I've NEVER read 40mpg as an average (not even close), but have seen it briefly show up as I'm driving a small stretch of road while watching the mpg on the highway.
My "average" usually hovers around 30mpg.
What is your source for the information you are sharing relative to Hyundai's tuning of the engines?
#588 of 655 Woman who sued in small claims court WON!!
Feb 02, 2012 (10:14 am)
The woman who sued in small claims court WON!!! And she has a website that provides info on the process. I think a lot of the current claims by various car companies for 40mpg are bogus, so I expect to see a lot more lawsuits.
Here's the article about her win (and her website):
#589 of 655 Re: Woman who sued in small claims court WON!! [roadscholar3]
Feb 02, 2012 (10:23 pm)
Not so fast, Honda said today they we're appealing it. Have to wait and see what happens. We took a trip yeasterday from Just north of Durham, NC to Portsmouth, VA.. I have a 2011 Elantra GLS and we we're getting 46.1 mpg. on the way up there on RT. 58. The speed limit is 55 and then sometimes 45, (i set the vruise at 59, their tuff up there on tickets) because ot the small towns you go thru. According to our mpg gauge, we were averaging 46.1 mpg.. We drove aroud there for a while, stopped and visted friends and started back home. I stopped(didn't have to and put put just over 7 gallons in it. According to my calculator, we averaged 40.4 mpg for the trip. I just can't beleive there are that many people who don't get close to the mileage. Around here I get 33-35, in the rural area we live in.
#590 of 655 Re: Woman w/'06 Civic Hybrid sued in small claims court [roadscholar3]
Feb 03, 2012 (10:40 am)
Will be interesting to see if she can prevail upon a Honda's appeal. The judge's justification for the award is rather meager, and even he admits a carefully driven Civic Hybrid can achieve the EPA results! I'm betting on Honda to win this when all is said and done. Excerpt:
"Peters opted out of the class-action lawsuit so she could try to claim a larger damage award for her 2006 Honda Civic's failure to deliver the 50 mpg that was promised. The proposed class-action settlement would give aggrieved owners $100 to $200 each and a $1,000 credit toward the purchase of a new car. Peters had hoped to inspire a flood of small-claims lawsuits by the other 200,000 people whose Honda Civic hybrids are covered by the proposed settlement. ... The commissioner noted that Honda had argued the way a car is driven might affect its gas mileage. He said that should have been explained in advertising and elsewhere. A
Honda technical expert testified that the company was required to post a sticker with the Environmental Protection Agency's estimate of the highest mileage the car could get. But [judge] said in his ruling that "this does not seem to be the case." "Honda's own testing should be the guideline for how it advertises its vehicles' mileages, not the generalized work ... done by the EPA," he said. "Can a Honda hybrid driven in careful and tested ways achieve 50 mpg? No doubt. Did it happen with Peters' car? No."
#591 of 655 Re: Woman who sued in small claims court WON!! [roadscholar3]
Feb 03, 2012 (7:48 pm)
Honda is appealing the decision. I have a feeling that they will win that appeal. If not it sets up a bad environment for auto dealers who will face a damned if you do, damned if you don't senerio. If they advertise the EPA figures and the car doesn't get it they lose in court cases brought up by customers. If they say that the car gets the lower mileage they could get taken to court by the government for not following the law that says they have to give EPA figures.
#592 of 655 Re: Woman who sued in small claims court WON!! [snakeweasel]
Feb 03, 2012 (8:26 pm)
Yes, let's see what happens in a "real" court.
Many years ago as a 25-year-old whippersnapper I took a large insurance company to small claims court regarding a claim that they said was covered under my policy's collision coverage (with a high deductible) vs. comprehensive coverage (with a very low deductible). I thought I had strong grounds based on basic contract law to win. And I did... in small claims court. The insurance company appealed to the "real" court. Where there are real attorneys. I represented myself (which makes me, what is that again?). Guess who won that one?
Afterwards, the attorney for the insurance company told me he could understand my position. Also, the judge ruled that the insurance company could recover its legal fees from me if they wished. They declined to do that, even though it must have cost them some bucks for the attorney.
Consequently, I still have my home and auto insurance with that company today. Even though I disagreed with them on the wording of their policy (which btw changed not that long after this case... hmmm....), I appreciated how they handled the matter.