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Subaru Forester Lease Questions

370 messages,  Last post on Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05 AM

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Re: 2009 Forester X Premium [Car_man] by ursus
Feb 12, 2009 (7:38 am)
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Replying to: Car_man (Feb 12, 2009 3:59 am)

Thank you Car_man.
I got mine X Premium+All Wheather last Saturday. According to the dealer, residual was 62% and MF 0.00160 for 36/10K through Chase.
MSRP: $24,668
Cap Cost: :$22,497 (incl. freight and 0 reduction) - I guess it's "at invoice" w/out freight or $695 under invoice since freight is included?
Adj Cap Cost: $23,092 (incl. $595 acc. fee)
Residual: $15,294
$278/month and $1,350 at signing (tax, dealer fee, first month, tags/registration).
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Re: 2009 Forester X Premium [ursus] by ateixeira
Feb 12, 2009 (9:01 am)
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Replying to: ursus (Feb 12, 2009 7:38 am)

62% is an amazing number. It's low 50s for most competitors.
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Re: 2009 Forester X Premium [ursus] by tsxowwner
Feb 12, 2009 (9:02 am)
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Replying to: ursus (Feb 12, 2009 7:38 am)

You might ask them to spell out what's in the $1,350 at closing?
 
you don't pay tax up front on a lease.
 
if 1st month is $278+tags/regis of $150, that leaves dealer fee of $900 - yikes!
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Re: 2009 Forester X Premium [tsxowwner] by ursus
Feb 13, 2009 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: tsxowwner (Feb 12, 2009 9:02 am)

Actually, it was my choice to pay taxes ($720) upfront, rather then rolling them in the lease (extra $20/month). Dealer fee was $289 and I know exactly what was in the $1,350
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Re: 2009 Forester X Premium [ursus] by tsxowwner
Feb 13, 2009 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: ursus (Feb 13, 2009 7:00 am)

For my benefit, can you tell me what the economic advantage is to paying the tax up front. It's not like your saving on any money factor financing cost since the tax is applied last?
 
If you have the $720 available for the tax, why wouldn't you just park it in your savings account or other no risk investment, then siphon the $20 each month from it. Certainly, we are not talking about a big difference, but it is more than zero.
 
thanks
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Re: 2009 Forester X Premium [tsxowwner] by ursus
Feb 13, 2009 (11:02 am)
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Replying to: tsxowwner (Feb 13, 2009 8:14 am)

I like lower monthly payments, that's all.
Plus, you will pay interest on the sales tax by adding it to the adjusted cap cost. By "parking" these taxes in a savings account even at 2%, you will earn about the same amount as you'll pay in finance charges (on you sales tax included in the lease payments), even if you don't "siphon the $20 each month" from your savings account. If you do "siphon the $20 each month", then you will lose money.
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Re: 2009 Forester X Premium [ursus] by tsxowwner
Feb 13, 2009 (11:15 am)
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Replying to: ursus (Feb 13, 2009 11:02 am)

Tax is NOT added to the cap cost.
 
The lease payment is determined first THEN tax is added by multiplying your lease payment by (1+ your state tax rate)
 
Ask anyone.
 
No economic advantage in this case to have the lower payment. Better to park the money in your savings account to
 
1) earn a little interest
2) have cash on hand in case of emergency
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Re: 2009 Forester X Premium [tsxowwner] by kyfdx HOST
Feb 13, 2009 (11:17 am)
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Replying to: tsxowwner (Feb 13, 2009 11:15 am)

That depends on where you live..
 
Many, many states charge the tax upfront (some on the entire sales price!).
 
regards,
kyfdx
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Re: 2009 Forester X Premium [kyfdx] by ursus
Feb 13, 2009 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Feb 13, 2009 11:17 am)

Exactly, but tsxowwner doesn't know that
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Leasing virgin by pano1
Feb 15, 2009 (9:08 pm)
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Hey Car_man! I usually pay cash for all vehicle purchases but am having people tell me that I am foolish for not leasing since I seldom keep cars for more than a year or two. I am looking at an '09 Forester Limited that stickers for $27350. I don't want to lease for more than 24 months. I can buy the car outright for $24750. If you could be so kind as to give me your opinion on buying outright versus leasing for this situation, it would be greatly appreciated.
 
I can usually resell my vehicles pretty easily by asking for KBB Private Value since people who know me know that I am very easy on cars and scrupulously maintain them. I drive 12000 mi/year and would be looking for a lease that allows 12000 mi. I know that Foresters keep about 61% of their value after 3 years and find it difficult to see that leasing for 24 months would be a better deal than buying outright.
 
All the jargon that is used in this forum is unmitigated gibberish to me because I know nothing about the process, so if you would be so kind as to avoid that in your explanation or opinion, it would be very helpful to me. What I would like for you to help me determine is based upon the following premise. I believe that at the end of two years I will be able to sell my Forester for more money, thus expending less, by buying outright than by leasing. Feel free to blow my thesis out of the water. If you could provide some comparatives or numbers for my situation, it would be very helpful.
 
Thanks,
Pete

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