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Replying to: jackforette (May 16, 2008 12:30 pm)
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Replying to: cartalk8 (May 16, 2008 12:56 pm)
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Replying to: jackforette (May 18, 2008 4:32 am) Not true. VW Rabbit has been recently named by Consumer Reports as a top choice in the hatchback category toppling Mazda3 for the first time. One of the main reasons: it now has better than average reliability. Yet, Consumer Reports has also put VW Jetta (2.5 L model) on its Recommended list because 2.5 L Jetta has reached the average reliability rating.
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Replying to: matrsoskin (May 18, 2008 7:21 am)
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Replying to: jackforette (May 18, 2008 2:38 pm) I was not saying that VW as a brand was perfect: no such brand exists. Just look at the number of vehicles that have been recently recalled by Toyota as well as the respective reasons: for example, a possibility for Prius totally losing steering and crashing due to front axle failure? Should I also mention Toyota engine sludge issues in the older models as well as transmission problems in the recent generation of Camry and Avalon that were not recalled? Yet, the worse than average reliability rating which has been recently "earned" by Toyota Tundra? And do not get me started with the multiple reliability problems in the Nissan "citadel of quality": Quest, Titan, Armada, previous Sentra model? Terrible reliability. That is VW's achilles heel. No, its is not. The strong euro is and misguided marketing strategy. And if the best you can do is score average with 2 very recent models VW Rabbit has better than average reliabilty and Jetta (2.5L model) is rated average. You have missed it. FYI, MkV Golf was introduced in the Europe in 2003 and came to the US in 2006 as the Rabbit model. The current Jetta variant has been introduced to the US market in 2005. VW must string a number of years together of ABOVE average reliability across their model lineup to compete with the Japanese makes and right now they have a long way to go unfortunately To the contrary, VW apparently has no problems competing with the other car makers worldwide because it has posted the record sale numbers and profit in 2007 as well as in the first quoter of 2008. The point that I am trying to make is: do not repeat old cliches found in the mainstream media. Sometimes, It could get you into trouble like it happened recently to a conservative radio host who was talking about appeasement on Chris Matthews show.
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Replying to: matrsoskin (May 18, 2008 4:28 pm) The strong Euro hurts VW on price but reliability/quality is their major achilles heel which VW admits they are working on. It is tough for one to argue that reliability is not a problem for VW when the company admits it is a major problem they are trying to fix. If the best you can do is brag about one average car and one very recent above average score in reliability for VW, you are playing a very weak hand. Passat, Touareg, Beetle anyone?Again, if VW scores above average across their model line for the next decade, I might take you seriously but right now I'm laughing. No cliches here. Just empirical fact presented in many different forms by many different objective sources. Yours is just opinion. Similar to a crazy preacher we all know who likes to use the phrase "God Damn America" when speaking to his flock which uncludes a very liberal untested and untruthful Presidential candidate. Ooops!
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Replying to: jackforette (May 19, 2008 2:44 am) For anyone to compare the quality and reliability of Toyota, Honda and Nissan over the last decade to that of VW is silly. I was not making a comparison. I demonstrated that no car maker was perfect and VW was working on its reliability issues and making a good progress. Why, do you think, Kelly Blue Book has recently named VW as a 2008 Best Resale Value Brand? You seemed to agree that Toyota and Nissan did have and do have reliability issues. Come on, you know it, I know it and even Toyota president has publicly admitted that his company car quality has been slipping recently. The strong Euro hurts VW on price ... and, therefore, on sales too? But VW is doing just fine outside of the North America market. if the best you can do is brag about one average car and one very recent above average score in reliability for VW, you are playing a very weak hand. Passat, Touareg, Beetle anyone? Those models are not the bread and butter ones for VW: the Jetta (Bora) and Golf/Rabbit are. Again, I am not saying that VW is perfect, I just countered your argument that VW could do (or not doing) nothing about its quality issues. ...I might take you seriously but right now I'm laughing. Are you OK? Yours is just opinion. Nope, "Just the facts mam, just the facts".
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Replying to: matrsoskin (May 19, 2008 6:13 am) Toyota slipping still places them higher than anything VW does reliability wise. VW's remain famously (or infamously) unreliable. I hope the small gains they have made making 2 of there models somewhat more acceptable in terms of reliability continue across their entire model lineup for the next 10 years and then someone can mention them in the same sentence as the Japanese makes without everyone laughing. Toyota has a stellar reputation for quality/reliability over many years with very few hiccups. VW has a horrible reputation for quality over many years with very few successes. Yet you try to cloud the debate by lumping these 2 very different company histories together by saying no car maker is perfect as if the recent troubles of Toyota negate their terrific brand history just as VW's limited recent success negates their awful brand history. See how that works? Toyota has recent problems and VW has limited recent success so see, no car maker is perfect. You are doing logical gymnastics here desperately trying to prove your point to no avail Do yourself a favor, buy a copy of Consumer Reports for 2008 cars and compare VW to Toyota for reliabilty history and to humor yourself ignore the history and just concetrate on recent dates to test your opinion and notice how many cars Toyotas cannot recommend due to reliability problems compared to VW. Andd note how many 2008 VW's cannot be recommended due to reliability problems. Clearly, VW has not made much progress with new model VW's reliability issues which contradicts your opinion with research based fact Game, Set, Match. |
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Replying to: cartalk8 (May 13, 2008 7:40 am) Selling Price-31,065
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