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Re: May Lease Deals? Anyone out here? [llevy]
by theras
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May 09, 2008 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: llevy (May 07, 2008 4:35 pm)
I agree LL! Why isn't anyone leasing these great cars? My dealer also touted the 27 month lease with the same residual and money factor, but I still have the same questions as you.
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Re: May Lease Deals? Anyone out here? [theras]
by cartalk8
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May 11, 2008 (7:56 pm)
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Replying to: theras (May 09, 2008 11:46 am)
Looking for information on leasing a 9-3 SportCombi 2.0T automatic with moonroof, heated seats, and premium Bose radio (MSRP $34,090). Specifically looking for current residual and money factor rates. If anyone has any information please let me know. Lease details...27 month 12k and 15k miles per year.
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Re: May Lease Deals? Anyone out here? [cartalk8]
by cartalk8
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May 13, 2008 (7:40 am)
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Replying to: cartalk8 (May 11, 2008 7:56 pm)
I was impatient and asked the dealer for a quote. Wouldn't give me straight figures other than lease figures for a base with automatic (MSRP 30,980).
27 months
15k miles per month
1,5430.46 in driveoff
payment is 523.57 including CA (7.75%) tax
Don't think it is a good deal. What do you guys think?
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Re: May Lease Deals? Anyone out here? [cartalk8]
by jackforette
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May 16, 2008 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: cartalk8 (May 13, 2008 7:40 am)
That is an awful quote. Typical of the first quote you get from a dealer which is usually at least $100 more than what you can get it for. Have you looked at the lease deals on the Audi A4. Here in NC you can get a 36 month lease on a 2008 A4 with 15k miles, $0 down, taxes in monthly payment and $575 due at signing on an MSRP of $32,750 for $375/month. I test drove both the A4 and the 9-3 and thought the A4 was the far superior car and couldn't believe how non-competitive Saab was on price. No one is buying the Saab and they are still pricing them as if they were a BMW 3 series which they very clearly are not which is evident after you test drive them. I currently drive an Infiniti G35 and the Saab is very much inferior to the G35 in peformance and handling yet I was quoted a higher lease price for the 9-3 than what I pay for my G35. Now I know why no one is buying/leasing Saabs.
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Re: May Lease Deals? Anyone out here? [jackforette]
by cartalk8
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May 16, 2008 (12:56 pm)
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Replying to: jackforette (May 16, 2008 12:30 pm)
jackforette. Thanks for the reply. How funny...I currently drive an '05 G35 sedan. Nice choice! I am in the market for a wagon (lease up in August on the G). The A4 sedan is definitely very competitive compared to the Saab 9-3. Although, the A4 Avant (wagon) is absolutely rediculous because every dealership has one or two and they are asking somewhere in the $550-$600 per month range. I was expecting the Saab to be somewhere around $400. Also looked at the VW Passat Wagon. Very inexpensive....but it is a VW. So far I think I like the Volvo V70.
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Re: May Lease Deals? Anyone out here? [cartalk8]
by jackforette
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May 18, 2008 (4:32 am)
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Replying to: cartalk8 (May 16, 2008 12:56 pm)
I see what you mean about the A4 Avant Wagon, my local dealer only has 3 on the lot. I too thought the 9-3 would be about $400 month because that is how much it should be when compared to the competition but I guess the $500 plus quotes we have been receiving for the 9-3 shows why Saab is in so much trouble. The VW Passat is very nice but I am so afraid of their reliability woes which VW has not addressed for years now. If Hyundai can make such great strides in this area, why can't VW? They make nice cars that drive well with lovely interiors but their reliability problems scare away many customers. I don't think you can go wrong with the V70. Good Luck.
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Re: May Lease Deals? Anyone out here? [jackforette]
by matrsoskin
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May 18, 2008 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: jackforette (May 18, 2008 4:32 am)
...but I am so afraid of their reliability woes which VW has not addressed for years now. If Hyundai can make such great strides in this area, why can't VW?
Not true. VW Rabbit has been recently named by Consumer Reports as a top choice in the hatchback category toppling Mazda3 for the first time. One of the main reasons: it now has better than average reliability. Yet, Consumer Reports has also put VW Jetta (2.5 L model) on its Recommended list because 2.5 L Jetta has reached the average reliability rating.
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Re: May Lease Deals? Anyone out here? [matrsoskin]
by jackforette
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May 18, 2008 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: matrsoskin (May 18, 2008 7:21 am)
How about the Passat, Beetle and Touareg? Terrible reliability. That is VW's achilles heel. And if the best you can do is score average with 2 very recent models, that makes it very hard to compete with Toyota, Honda, Nissan etc. who have built up a a reputation over many years of high quality/reliability. VW must string a number of years together of ABOVE average reliability across their model lineup to compete with the Japanese makes and right now they have a long way to go unfortunately. Like I said, they make nice looking cars that drive very well and have lovely interiors and the reason they don't sell nearly as well as their competition is reliability. Has been there problem and still is.
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Re: May Lease Deals? Anyone out here? [jackforette]
by matrsoskin
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May 18, 2008 (4:28 pm)
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Replying to: jackforette (May 18, 2008 2:38 pm)
Please read what you write: you were saying that VW has not been able to address its reliability problems and I presented you with the facts indicating otherwise. VW is making a progress.
I was not saying that VW as a brand was perfect: no such brand exists. Just look at the number of vehicles that have been recently recalled by Toyota as well as the respective reasons: for example, a possibility for Prius totally losing steering and crashing due to front axle failure? Should I also mention Toyota engine sludge
issues in the older models as well as transmission problems in the recent generation of Camry and Avalon that were not recalled? Yet, the worse than average reliability rating which has been recently "earned" by Toyota Tundra? And do not get me started with the multiple reliability problems in the Nissan "citadel of quality": Quest, Titan, Armada, previous Sentra model?
Terrible reliability. That is VW's achilles heel. No, its is not. The strong euro is and misguided marketing strategy.
And if the best you can do is score average with 2 very recent models VW Rabbit has better than average reliabilty and Jetta (2.5L model) is rated average. You have missed it. FYI, MkV Golf was introduced in the Europe in 2003 and came to the US in 2006 as the Rabbit model. The current Jetta variant has been introduced to the US market in 2005.
VW must string a number of years together of ABOVE average reliability across their model lineup to compete with the Japanese makes and right now they have a long way to go unfortunately To the contrary, VW apparently has no problems competing with the other car makers worldwide because it has posted the record sale numbers and profit in 2007 as well as in the first quoter of 2008.
The point that I am trying to make is: do not repeat old cliches found in the mainstream media. Sometimes, It could get you into trouble like it happened recently to a conservative radio host who was talking about appeasement on Chris Matthews show.
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Re: May Lease Deals? Anyone out here? [matrsoskin]
by jackforette
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May 19, 2008 (2:44 am)
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Replying to: matrsoskin (May 18, 2008 4:28 pm)
For anyone to compare the quality and reliability of Toyota, Honda and Nissan over the last decade to that of VW is silly. Pick up any car magazine or read any car review website or Consumer Reports or JD Power and reliability concerns are always present when reviewing any VW and for many years they have ranked far behind all of the Big 3 Japanese makes. You would have to be from Mars to disagree on this point (or not be able to read or form thought based on fact.)
The strong Euro hurts VW on price but reliability/quality is their major achilles heel which VW admits they are working on. It is tough for one to argue that reliability is not a problem for VW when the company admits it is a major problem they are trying to fix.
If the best you can do is brag about one average car and one very recent above average score in reliability for VW, you are playing a very weak hand. Passat, Touareg, Beetle anyone?Again, if VW scores above average across their model line for the next decade, I might take you seriously but right now I'm laughing.
No cliches here. Just empirical fact presented in many different forms by many different objective sources. Yours is just opinion. Similar to a crazy preacher we all know who likes to use the phrase "God Damn America" when speaking to his flock which uncludes a very liberal untested and untruthful Presidential candidate. Ooops!
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