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Re: question about residuals [blackmamba24] by ocautoseeker
Feb 15, 2008 (8:27 pm)
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Replying to: blackmamba24 (Feb 15, 2008 4:02 pm)

On a lease, you pay the difference between the cap cost (negotiated price) and the residual value. This figure is known as the depreciation, and thus what you are paying. But, you then have to add in the rent charge, otherwise called interest.
 
So, assume an MSRP of $96,000 and you want to lease for 36 months. You take the residual (50%) and multiply it by the MSRP. In this case, the residual value (estimated price of the vehicle at lease-end) is $48,0000.
 
Now, say you negotiate a cap cost (hypothetically, a selling price) of say, $91,000. There is a spread of $43,000 (the depreciation), so you simply divide $43,000 by 36 (the number of months in the lease term). You get a base payment of ~$1195/mo. But, now you have to add in the rent charge (finance charge). With MBC's current buy rate .00330 (7.92%), you will multiply that number by the sum of the residual and cap cost. $48,000 + $91,000 = $139,000 x .00330 = $458.70. This is your monthly finance charge.
 
So now, take your base monthly payment of $1195 and add the finance charge of $458.70 and you get a pretax monthly payment of $1653.70. Then, depending on your state, you can have the sales tax broken down into your monthly payments. So, assuming a 6% sales tax, that adds another $99.22/mo to your payments giving you ultimately a payment of ~$1753/mo
 
The bottom line: you simply paid the $43,000 in depreciation + interest. Obviously, this vehicle has a crummy money factor through MBC currently and thus why you paid $20k total in finance charges.
 
Any cap cost reduction (down payment) simply lessens the spread, ultimately giving you lower monthly payments. Large cap reductions are not a good idea when leasing.
 
Hope this makes sense?
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Deal or No Deal? by moet
Apr 23, 2008 (12:06 pm)
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S550 4matic 2008
PII package
Ipod Integration
Wood/Leather Steering
 
Total Cost = 97,665
Markup = -10,268.34
Total Selling Price= 87,396.66
Cap Red = 5825.92
Total Cap Red = 81,570.74
Capped Taxes = 3,761.30
Total Capital Cost = 85,332.04
 
Monthly payment = 1,310/mo (with tax)
Total out of pocket = 8,800.01 (includes 1st monthly payment, taxes, fees, etc.)
Residual = 47,160
Money factor = 0.0025
 
Not much haggle with the sales person. Just told him what i was expecting to pay and he worked the numbers (this is in NJ btw). Good deal or Bad deal?
#97 of 100
Re: Deal or No Deal? [moet] by ocautoseeker
Apr 23, 2008 (2:55 pm)
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Replying to: moet (Apr 23, 2008 12:06 pm)

That looks like a good deal (based on the current pogram). The residual and money factor gel with current MBC numbers. My only advice would be to NOT make that additional cap cost reduction. I'd advise only paying your 1st mo and dmv's at inception.
 
Looks to me like a 36mo/15k lease, correct?
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Re: Deal or No Deal? [ocautoseeker] by moet
Apr 24, 2008 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: ocautoseeker (Apr 23, 2008 2:55 pm)

ocautseeker: It's a 39mo/15k lease.
 
Made the deal!
Just out of curiosity, what difference would it have made if i paid cap reduction now or have it rolled to my monthly payment? Either way i end up paying the same $$ (Unless he'd bring down price of the vehicle by an additional 5k)?
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Re: Deal or No Deal? [moet] by ocautoseeker
Apr 24, 2008 (6:32 pm)
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Replying to: moet (Apr 24, 2008 10:58 am)

Congrats on the car!
 
Only reason I do not recommend cap cost reductions on leases is because if your vehicle gets wrecked (totaled) or stolen, you may not be able to recover the upfront down payment you made.
 
You may already know this, but I'll reitterate... The GAP insurance included in your lease through, in this case MBC, would cover the payoff of the vehicle, but most likely you'd be out the $5k. By making a cap cost reduction, you're essentially prepaying a portion of the deprecaition and not paying down any principle like on a purchase. In other words, there is no equity being built in a lease, therefore it's advisable not to throw any money at it.
 
However, many people are very pyschological when it comes to payments, so if the payment suits you and you had no problem laying out the $5k, and you're happy, then that's all that really matters.
 
Again, congrats - beautiful vehicle!
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Re: Deal or No Deal? [ocautoseeker] by moet
Apr 26, 2008 (7:26 pm)
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Replying to: ocautoseeker (Apr 24, 2008 6:32 pm)

thnx for the advice ocauto. i didn't think of it that way (not building equity). I'll keep that in mind the next time i'm out to lease (another 3yrs to go).
 
Thanks again!

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