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Mercedes-Benz S-Class Lease Questions

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Cap cost reduction by nvbanker
Sep 13, 2005 (5:23 pm)
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I NEVER put money down on a lease - if it's required, it's no deal. I agree with the host entirely on this matter. Besides, it flies in the face of leasing to begin with! The reason I'm leasing, is to keep my cash in my wallet, and amortize the depreciation of the car over a period of time with monthly payments. If I'm going to decap the lease, I should buy, then at least, my down would count as equity in the car.
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Re: Re: Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions by Car_man HOST
Sep 21, 2005 (2:58 am)
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You're very welcome theloungeboy.
 
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Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions [Car_man] by ferrast
Nov 28, 2005 (11:32 pm)
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Replying to: Car_man (Aug 31, 2005 4:58 pm)

If you could afford to purchase a MB S500 and you would be willing to keep the vehicle 4+ years, does make sense to lease the vehicle. I have heard that you shouldn't purchase any vehicle that costs more than $50,000 (you should lease it instead). I am not sure whether that is accurate. Does anyone know of a rule of thumb for this query?
 
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Re: Re: Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions [Car_man] by ferrast
Nov 29, 2005 (10:24 pm)
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Replying to: Car_man (Sep 21, 2005 2:58 am)

Do you have any money factors and residuals for an '06 S 500? Thank you.
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Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions [ferrast] by Car_man HOST
Dec 19, 2005 (4:51 am)
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Replying to: ferrast (Nov 28, 2005 11:32 pm)

Hi ferrast. Regardless of how expensive a car is, I would never personally lease it if it had a terrible lease program. Mercedes-Benz is not currently providing any lease money factor support on the 2006 S-Class. As a result, if you were to lease one through Mercedes-Benz Credit, you would have to use its standard lease money factors. Its current buy rate lease money factor for a 36 month lease by an individual who qualifies for its top credit tier and pays a security deposit is .00320. This is equivalent to an interest rate of around 7.7%, which is not very good. I personally would probably decide to finance rather than lease this car. Whatever you decide to do, make sure to take the dealer cash that is currently available on the 2006 S-Class into account when negotiating its selling price. There is currently a whopping $7,000 on the '06 S350W, S430V, and S430V4 and $10,000 on the S500, S600, and S65!
 
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Re: Re: Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions [ferrast] by Car_man HOST
Dec 19, 2005 (4:54 am)
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Replying to: ferrast (Nov 29, 2005 10:24 pm)

Hello ferrast. I have seen the lease program for the car that you are interested in. Its specific money factor and residual value depend upon how long you lease it for and how many miles per year you need to be able to drive it. For now I will assume that you are interested in a 39 month lease with 15,000 miles per year. Let me know if you want something different. If you were to lease a 2006 Mercedes-Benz S500 through Mercedes-Benz Credit right now for 36 months with 15,000 miles per year, its buy rate lease money factor and residual value should be .00320 and 49%, respectively. When negotiating the capitalized cost for your lease, don't forget to take the dealer cash that I mentioned in my previous post into account.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions [Car_man] by ferrast
Jan 03, 2006 (9:49 pm)
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Replying to: Car_man (Dec 19, 2005 4:54 am)

Thank you for the information. My local MB dealership offered me an $18k discount to the MSRP. I would have purchased one; however, I am currently leasing an '03 E320 until the end of August of '06. I mistakenly thought that MB Credit would allow me to get out of that lease since I would be getting into a more expensive MB - they didn't care.
 
How could I research the money factor, residual value and the conversion of the money factor into an interest rate?
 
Thanks again and Happy New Year!!
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Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions [Car_man] by ffcobra
Jan 05, 2006 (12:19 am)
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Replying to: Car_man (Aug 31, 2005 4:58 pm)

Hi Car_Man -
 
My wife's pregnant with our first child and we have two sports cars, so one has to go to make room for a 4-door. We has almost decided to buy an E500 used until I saw an eBay ad from a company called Dick Dyer MB in SC that was selling S500's for about $16,500 off the sticker.
 
That was yesterday. Today, the $10,000 MB money seems to be gone. Since you are an expert on leasing and seem to know a lot about MB USA programs, do you think they will introduce a new lease program or offer more cash to help dealers unload the 2006 S-Classes before the new S550's start to hit the lots?
 
Yesterday a $90,300 car was $73,800. Today its $83,800. I wish one of the MANY MB dealers we were talking with over the past two weeks would have told us about the $10,000. Not a single dealer tried to move us up from a $66,000 E500 to an S500.
 
I did a spread sheet on buying the S500 and it looks like my net cost to own the car would be something like the following. I'm trying to figure out if leasing is better than buying. If I look at keeping the car for 3 years, it would cost me about $1,350 a month is a dealer would sell the car for $1,500 over invoice. But with the extra $10,000 my cost goes down to under a $1,000 a month.
 
What would a lease run?
 
http://www.ffcobra.com/images/mbs500ver1.xls
 
Thanks,
 
Bill
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Re: Re: Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions [ferrast] by Car_man HOST
Jan 10, 2006 (4:25 am)
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Replying to: ferrast (Jan 03, 2006 9:49 pm)

You're very welcome, ferrast. I see that you have found out that it is not that easy to get out of leases early. You are absolutely right, banks don't care how much nicer the new car you are getting is. If you want to get out of your current lease eight months early, you are most likely going to have to pay.
 
I am not aware of any resource that provides information on banks' lease money factors and residual values to the general public. I should be able to give you an idea of what these numbers should be like for this car though if you let me know how long you want to lease it for and how many miles per year you need to be able to drive it. You can convert lease money factors into approximate money factor equivalents by multiplying them by 2400.
 
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Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions [ffcobra] by Car_man HOST
Jan 10, 2006 (4:36 am)
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Replying to: ffcobra (Jan 05, 2006 12:19 am)

Congratulations, Bill! I know the feeling about having to switch cars when a new arrival comes. When I had my son, I switched from a coupe with a manual transmission to a sedan with an automatic .
 
You're in luck, Mercedes-Benz is still providing $10,000 dealer cash on the 2006 S500 Sedan in January. If I was in the market for one though, I personally would probably lean towards financing it through leasing it through an independent bank or credit union because Mercedes-Benz is not currently providing any sort of lease money factor support on it.
 
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