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Negotiating best price for M45x; mult. sec. deposits by madrad
May 08, 2008 (4:23 pm)
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Seriously negotiating now for lease of M45x as follows
Sticker (incl) gas guzzler tax and freight with tech, adv. tech, mud guards, trunk mat at one Chicago metro area dealer for this combination of options is: $60275
 
I was just offered a buy price of $55625 which is about 92% of sticker or $169 over Edmunds "invoice". In general, one would think that's a pretty good price--it's the percentage of sticker I paid on my previous 2006 M35x but that was at the very end of summer and to my knowledge Infiniti was not making money available to dealers to clear out inventory.
 
Now, I'm reading in this forum that there is incentive and loyalty money out there from the manufacturer--is it $1000 or $2000? So my question is: does anybody believe that my quoted price can be pushed down further by reminding the seller of that money and that I would want some of it to further lower my sell price (cap acquisition cost).
 
Also this dealer is quoting (for 24 months, 10,000 miles/yr) a residual of 62%, money factor of .00001, acquisition fee of $595 and thus lease payment of $908.11
(out the door $1163.11; no money down...only license, doc, registration fees and first month's payment). State and local sales taxes rolled into cap acquisition cost.
 
When asked he said that IFS would NOT reduce the money factor below .00001 using multiple security deposits (he said they would not go "negative"). He also said 62 % residual was set by banks, not IFS.
 
I really appreciate all comments, suggestions--especially opinions of forum moderators re the specifics of the deal so far.
MJC
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Re: Negotiating best price for M45x; mult. sec. deposits [madrad] by blov8r
May 09, 2008 (7:13 am)
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Replying to: madrad (May 08, 2008 4:23 pm)

MJC: It's $2,000 loyalty cash for present Infiniti owners. It doesn't apply to ALL of their cars but it does apply to the M. Bart
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Re: Negotiating best price for M45x; mult. sec. deposits [madrad] by ghstudio
May 09, 2008 (9:21 am)
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Replying to: madrad (May 08, 2008 4:23 pm)

The dealer is telling you right.....IFS will not allow the interest to go negative.
 
There is $1000 incentive OR $2000 loyalty money. It's very likely the dealer already included this without telling you.
 
IFS publishes their own residual rates.....no idea how they set them..doesn't matter.
As far as I know, the residual rate is not negotiable.
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Re: $1,000 Conquest Cash [Car_man] by madrad
May 09, 2008 (10:56 am)
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Replying to: Car_man (Apr 21, 2008 2:20 am)

I recently messaged about my deal so far:
  
Sticker 60275, buy price of $55625 which is about 92% of sticker or $169 over
  
Also this dealer is quoting (for 24 months, 10,000 miles/yr) a residual of 62%, money factor of .00001, acquisition fee of $595 and thus lease payment of $908.11
(out the door $1163.11; no money down...only license, doc, registration fees and first month's payment). State and local sales taxes rolled into cap acquisition cost
 
I specifically questioned the salesperson about the number of zeroes in front of the "1" but the other money factors I see reported here from IFS seem quite a bit higher...am I off on these zeroes?
 
Many thanks
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Re: M35X / 2008 / Tech / Nav [ghstudio] by nycdude
May 09, 2008 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: ghstudio (May 07, 2008 9:49 am)

Your explanation of MSD's makes sense. Unfortunately, they are apparently not available in NY. I have a question nonetheless. What happens to the security deposit(s) if the car is stolen or totalled? We know that any "down payment" is lost, but I've never seen the security deposit addressed.
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How to benefit from IFS's incentive $500? by madrad
May 09, 2008 (11:18 am)
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As an incentive to induce you to lease again with IFS, they offer to pay up to $500 in excess wear and tear charges or excess mileage charges.
 
Well, I took very good care of the vehicle and my return inspection (3 weeks before lease end on 5/28) showed ZERO charges for excess wear.
 
I've pretty much decided to lease another Infiniti (M45x)...so how can I get IFS to give me some of that money? Perhaps a reduction in the first month's lease? Has this happened to anyone else?
 
If they won't, in a way one gets penalized for taking good care of the vehicle.
 
Thanks for comments/suggestions.
MJC
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Re: $1,000 Conquest Cash [madrad] by finadv
May 09, 2008 (11:22 am)
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Replying to: madrad (May 09, 2008 10:56 am)

You are definitely off on the number of zeros. Here's a website to calculate lease payments. http://www.leaseguide.com/calc.htm
Something is off if you use the numbers that you have. However, it may be okay, depending on the taxes that were added to the cap cost.
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Re: M35X / 2008 / Tech / Nav [nycdude] by kyfdx HOST
May 09, 2008 (11:23 am)
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Replying to: nycdude (May 09, 2008 11:13 am)

BMW guys say they can do the MSD thing by buying in NJ, even though they live in NY..
 
Technically, your security deposit shouldn't be at risk.. But, once the insurance company and the leasing bank start talking about payoffs, almost anything can happen.. I've yet to hear a definitive "you can never lose that deposit, due to accident".
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Re: How to benefit from IFS's incentive $500? [madrad] by blov8r
May 10, 2008 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: madrad (May 09, 2008 11:18 am)

MJC: Same with me. That $500 is worth $0 when I turn my M35 in next month. 39 month lease, 22K miles when the car comes back to them and not even a minor door ding. I'm in the last 6 weeks of my lease so I suspect there will be no additional inducements coming. On top of that my local dealer made me a "special offer" for my next lease ... a genuine bludgeoning ... materially worse terms than I got in late March of 2005 for a new model in short supply with an MSRP $4K more than the one I'm looking at now and that includes the $2K loyalty incentive! Bart
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Re: May lease rates [colslick] by ocautoseeker
May 12, 2008 (1:47 am)
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Replying to: colslick (May 06, 2008 6:32 am)

2008 Infiniti M35 Sedan
36 Mo – Residual 50% – .00082
 
2008 Infiniti M35X AWD Sedan
36 Mo – Residual 51% – .00070
 
Based on 15k annual miles.

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