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Re: M35X / 2008 / Tech / Nav [ghstudio] by blov8r
May 07, 2008 (7:31 am)
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Replying to: ghstudio (May 06, 2008 7:38 am)

I've read this forum, and I've been in and out of here regularly for three years. Whoever posted that it's the total number of dollars involved, not how things are bundled or unbundled, is the true cost of the lease is pretty much right on. If you put $3600 up out front and pay $500 per month or nothing down and $600 per month your true cost is almost the same ... "almost" because you do lose the ability to earn interest on that $3600 for three years. At a generous 5% yield that's $540 over the term of the lease. When I lease I put the absolute minimum up front ... whatever's required by law ... taxes, tags, etc. And here in AZ the tags are ~ $750. Bart
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Re: M35X / 2008 / Tech / Nav [ghstudio] by blov8r
May 07, 2008 (7:34 am)
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Replying to: ghstudio (May 06, 2008 7:38 am)

use that money to make multiple security deposits if they are offered in your state and save money.
 
I would, however, like an explanation of the "multiple security deposits" strategy because it doesn't make sense to me as security deposits come back to you at the end of the lease and are nearly always waived here. Or maybe I'm missing a huge point here. Bart
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Re: M35X / 2008 / Tech / Nav [blov8r] by ghstudio
May 07, 2008 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: blov8r (May 07, 2008 7:34 am)

Bart...what you are missing is that Infiniti Financial Services will lower your Money Factor by .0001 for each "extra" security deposit (up to 7) you give them. Yes, you get the money back...AND you've paid lower interest during the lease. The amount you save with lower interest on the lease is much higher than you would earn just leaving that amount in your own bank. It's a very good financial deal.
 
Don't confuse MSD's with a large down payment....very different animals.
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Re: M35X / 2008 / Tech / Nav [ghstudio] by blov8r
May 07, 2008 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: ghstudio (May 07, 2008 9:49 am)

Thank you. I do indeed stand "edified". Bart
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Negotiating best price for M45x; mult. sec. deposits by madrad
May 08, 2008 (4:23 pm)
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Seriously negotiating now for lease of M45x as follows
Sticker (incl) gas guzzler tax and freight with tech, adv. tech, mud guards, trunk mat at one Chicago metro area dealer for this combination of options is: $60275
 
I was just offered a buy price of $55625 which is about 92% of sticker or $169 over Edmunds "invoice". In general, one would think that's a pretty good price--it's the percentage of sticker I paid on my previous 2006 M35x but that was at the very end of summer and to my knowledge Infiniti was not making money available to dealers to clear out inventory.
 
Now, I'm reading in this forum that there is incentive and loyalty money out there from the manufacturer--is it $1000 or $2000? So my question is: does anybody believe that my quoted price can be pushed down further by reminding the seller of that money and that I would want some of it to further lower my sell price (cap acquisition cost).
 
Also this dealer is quoting (for 24 months, 10,000 miles/yr) a residual of 62%, money factor of .00001, acquisition fee of $595 and thus lease payment of $908.11
(out the door $1163.11; no money down...only license, doc, registration fees and first month's payment). State and local sales taxes rolled into cap acquisition cost.
 
When asked he said that IFS would NOT reduce the money factor below .00001 using multiple security deposits (he said they would not go "negative"). He also said 62 % residual was set by banks, not IFS.
 
I really appreciate all comments, suggestions--especially opinions of forum moderators re the specifics of the deal so far.
MJC
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Re: Negotiating best price for M45x; mult. sec. deposits [madrad] by blov8r
May 09, 2008 (7:13 am)
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Replying to: madrad (May 08, 2008 4:23 pm)

MJC: It's $2,000 loyalty cash for present Infiniti owners. It doesn't apply to ALL of their cars but it does apply to the M. Bart
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Re: Negotiating best price for M45x; mult. sec. deposits [madrad] by ghstudio
May 09, 2008 (9:21 am)
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Replying to: madrad (May 08, 2008 4:23 pm)

The dealer is telling you right.....IFS will not allow the interest to go negative.
 
There is $1000 incentive OR $2000 loyalty money. It's very likely the dealer already included this without telling you.
 
IFS publishes their own residual rates.....no idea how they set them..doesn't matter.
As far as I know, the residual rate is not negotiable.
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Re: $1,000 Conquest Cash [Car_man] by madrad
May 09, 2008 (10:56 am)
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Replying to: Car_man (Apr 21, 2008 2:20 am)

I recently messaged about my deal so far:
  
Sticker 60275, buy price of $55625 which is about 92% of sticker or $169 over
  
Also this dealer is quoting (for 24 months, 10,000 miles/yr) a residual of 62%, money factor of .00001, acquisition fee of $595 and thus lease payment of $908.11
(out the door $1163.11; no money down...only license, doc, registration fees and first month's payment). State and local sales taxes rolled into cap acquisition cost
 
I specifically questioned the salesperson about the number of zeroes in front of the "1" but the other money factors I see reported here from IFS seem quite a bit higher...am I off on these zeroes?
 
Many thanks
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Re: M35X / 2008 / Tech / Nav [ghstudio] by nycdude
May 09, 2008 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: ghstudio (May 07, 2008 9:49 am)

Your explanation of MSD's makes sense. Unfortunately, they are apparently not available in NY. I have a question nonetheless. What happens to the security deposit(s) if the car is stolen or totalled? We know that any "down payment" is lost, but I've never seen the security deposit addressed.
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How to benefit from IFS's incentive $500? by madrad
May 09, 2008 (11:18 am)
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As an incentive to induce you to lease again with IFS, they offer to pay up to $500 in excess wear and tear charges or excess mileage charges.
 
Well, I took very good care of the vehicle and my return inspection (3 weeks before lease end on 5/28) showed ZERO charges for excess wear.
 
I've pretty much decided to lease another Infiniti (M45x)...so how can I get IFS to give me some of that money? Perhaps a reduction in the first month's lease? Has this happened to anyone else?
 
If they won't, in a way one gets penalized for taking good care of the vehicle.
 
Thanks for comments/suggestions.
MJC

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