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Re: First Time Lessee - Looking for Wisdom [geo15] by dwynne
May 08, 2008 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: geo15 (May 08, 2008 8:37 am)

As user gforce11 says, you need to bargain down the price on the car first - then worry about the lease terms. You need to be within $500 of invoice price when you include the car, destination, and any dealer doc or prep fees.
 
Leasing is Texas is not so hot since they tax the entire negotiated price of the car - the same as if you purchased it. However, some folks have posted that Infiniti and Texas (or one of them) have worked out a tax break on leases. The only way I would think about it is if I didn't have to pay full tax or if the rate was really, really low (like 1% or less effective rate).
 
Dennis
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Re: First Time Lessee - Looking for Wisdom [dwynne] by geo15
May 08, 2008 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: dwynne (May 08, 2008 9:06 am)

Appreciate the replys. You mention being within $500 dollars of Invoice price. If I take a look at Edmunds for the vehicle I am considering (G37 w/nav & prem), I get the following figures:
 
MSRP - $41,365
INVOICE - $37,781
TMV - $40,368
 
Assuming I'm understanding your suggestion, I should attempt to negociate a price w/in $500 of $37781, which will probably be difficult based on the fact that others seem to be settling for $40368 as reflected by the TMV. At this point I can get a lease quote from the dealer and perhaps some from leasecompare.com and go from there. Sound about right?
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Re: First Time Lessee - Looking for Wisdom [geo15] by dwynne
May 08, 2008 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: geo15 (May 08, 2008 9:48 am)

When I say "invoice" I mean the invoice including the destination charge - which Edmunds does not.
 
Did you want an auto or 6mt? MSRP on a G37 journey with nav and premium would be $41,815 with an invoice of $38,198. A 6mt would be $42,365 and $38,702.
 
If you find a pre-price increase car it will be $200 or so cheaper.
 
TMV does not mean anything to me, I don't think it accurately reflects deals folks are getting and reporting here. Your job is to find a dealer that will give you a bottom line price on the car - they are out there if you hunt them up. Once you have the best price, then you plug in the lease numbers and see how the payment works out. You can compare what a 3rd party bank will do at leasecompare.com , but IFS captive lease deals will almost always be cheaper. You have to watch for Infiniti dealers marking up the lease rate for extra profit - so be sure ask about that and compare rates with different dealers.
 
So deal the price down low, then ask for the lease rate and residual and work the payment out yourself. Compare the results from more than one dealer and see how it looks. You will have to ask some area dealers about the Texas lease tax break.
 
If you work for a company that does business with Nissan / Infiniti you may qualify for a VPP claim code which will get you a price about $300 over invoice w/o haggling. That works if you know someone that works for either company. Lots of banks, insurance companies, etc are on the list.
 
Dennis
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Re: First Time Lessee - Looking for Wisdom [dwynne] by geo15
May 08, 2008 (10:21 am)
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Replying to: dwynne (May 08, 2008 10:06 am)

"If you work for a company that does business with Nissan / Infiniti you may qualify for a VPP claim code which will get you a price about $300 over invoice w/o haggling. That works if you know someone that works for either company. Lots of banks, insurance companies, etc are on the list."
 
Thanks, this is very helpful. I contacted our HR dept. and in fact we do qualify for a VPP claim code.
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Re: First Time Lessee - Looking for Wisdom [geo15] by dwynne
May 08, 2008 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: geo15 (May 08, 2008 10:21 am)

Go to the vendor VPP page here at this link to read about it. Click on "get VPP claim code" and put in your company name and see if it pulls it up. If so, you can get the code right there online You will have to provide proof of employment at the dealership when you pick up the car.
 
With a VPP claim code you still have to shop around - ask each dealer how much their doc fee is, if the cars have any dealer installed options on them, and if they mark up the lease buy rate. If you find a dealer with little or no doc fee, no mandatory add ons, and no mark up then see if they will except a VPP code on the coupe you want. If so, you have a done deal for a nice price.
 
Dennis
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Re: First Time Lessee - Looking for Wisdom [geo15] by gforce11
May 08, 2008 (1:48 pm)
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Replying to: geo15 (May 08, 2008 10:21 am)

Regarding the VPP program. Today, I was able to get a quote for $200 over invoice WITHOUT the VPP. As a matter of fact, VPP I got quoted is $400 over invoice. So don't get too caught up with the VPP being the lowest price you can get. There could be a lower one out there somewhere.
 
So $200 over invoice, $595 bank fee, $45 doc fee. All I need now is to see what I get for my trade-in.
 
Props to laderaking, your guy at Mission Viejo Infiniti is straight up guy. He doesn't have the exact color I want for the G37, but I'm still going to work with him to see what kind of deal we can swing.
 
Many thanks for all the help, laderaking and Dennis. Now I gotta go drive the car.
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Question for Dennis or any other "lease expert." by drjustin
May 08, 2008 (3:07 pm)
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first and foremost, thank you for your valuable help Dennis. not just for myself, but others on this board. also thanks to the other lease-savvy helpers out there.
 
i have a two part question if you'll indulge me, the first being easy and straight forward:
 
1. do you happen to know the "tier" cutoff points based on fico score for IFS? my fico is 673, w/ zero collections on it. i've been told i'm a tier II by the dealer and the cut off is like 689. is this true?
 
2. here is the deal from the 1st dealer in texas that has the exact car i want.
 (one might ask why lease from texas if i live in oklahoma? well they're the only dealer in my region who has this car. i figure that will be my best chance considering transportation fee's etc. please correct my thinking if i'm wrong)
 
first the details on the car from my first offer:
 
2008 G35 sport w/stone interior
 
$30,076 base invoice
$46 trunk cargo net
$2,155 premium package
$115 splash guard
$1,422 sport package
$76 trunk mat
$765 freight charge
 
$34,655 total invoice from infiniti intl
 
$37,935 msrp
 
the dealer said they would sell for $600 over invoice
$35,255
 
residual= 59% (is that 59% of msrp? or invoice? i assume msrp)
36 mo term
15,000 miles
.0022 MF (said i was tier II)
something like $700 out the door tag tax and title
$532/mo
 
i'd really like to be under $500 seeing as though insurance will run around $85/mo
what do you think??
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Re: Question for Dennis or any other "lease expert." [drjustin] by gforce11
May 08, 2008 (3:55 pm)
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Replying to: drjustin (May 08, 2008 3:07 pm)

1. No idea, but typically 700+ is considered "good" credit. So if you fall under that, then you are most likely tier 2.
 
2. I think $600 is kinda high. Even the highest quote I got was $400 over invoice. It doesn't really matter if they have "exactly" what you want. If you are too fixed on that aspect and they notice it, they will exploit you (if they are sleezy)
 
In terms of residual, it looks about right. A thought if I may, why don't you consider doing a 12,000 lease, you actually drive that much? at 12k you might save yourself like 10-15 bucks. Also, one of the dealers tells me the 39 mo term yields lowest payments. I don't have the details on that tho.
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Re: First Time Lessee - Looking for Wisdom [gforce11] by dwynne
May 08, 2008 (4:32 pm)
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Replying to: gforce11 (May 08, 2008 1:48 pm)

I agree, but you are in SoCal - right? It varies by region it seems what kind of prices you can get. If I could walk into a dealership and drive out for $300 over invoice with no doc fee it would not be worth much of my time to haggle to save $100. That said, in many areas of the country you have to work and / or travel a bit to get close to invoice. If you are in an area where you just can't get a deal then a VPP can be a way out.
 
Dennis
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Re: First Time Lessee - Looking for Wisdom [dwynne] by kingpcgeek
May 08, 2008 (4:50 pm)
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Replying to: dwynne (May 08, 2008 4:32 pm)

Typical Lease Tiers:
 
720- 850 - 1
680- 719 - 2
650- 679 - 3
600- 649 - 4
500- 599 - Sorry Charlie

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