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Honda Pilot Lease Questions

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Re: Sales Tax in Illinois [kyfdx] by dougmorris35
Apr 19, 2008 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Apr 19, 2008 9:54 am)

Thanks for the info.
 
I want to email several dealerships around the area. What information do I need to get from them in addition to:
 
Base Cap Cost
Costs added to Lease
Cap Cost Reduction
Residual Factor
Money Factor
Lease Term
Mileage
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Re: Sales Tax in Illinois [dougmorris35] by dwynne
Apr 19, 2008 (3:51 pm)
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Replying to: dougmorris35 (Apr 19, 2008 1:51 pm)

Negotiate the price on the price first - you do have to let them know you are leasing since in this case it effects the amount of the dealer incentive. But you want to be around invoice less incentive ($1,500-$2,500) for the Pilot, destination, and any dealer doc or prep fees. I have never heard of a Honda dealer marking up lease rates, but I suppose some of them could do this. Once you have the best price, the other numbers like taxes, tags, title should be the same wherever you lease from - the same for the lease MF and residual. Just plug the price in and figure the payments.
 
IL is one of the states with the special discounted lease rates. Good thing, since having to pay state and perhaps local tax on the whole Pilot would pretty much mean leasing would not be smart without such a cheap rate.
 
Dennis
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Destination Charge in Leasing by bigdadi118
Apr 20, 2008 (4:18 pm)
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Remember this is not standard charge in leasing. The floor manager at Boch Honda in Boston area always add the destination 600's. DO NOT bite this bait. They will take it off if one protects. Bank Acqui fee 500's is somewhat standard though.
 
The lease should contain below upon signing. Anything else tell them take it off.
1st month payment
Tax
Bank Acqui Fee
Doc/Adm Fee
Reg/Plate Fee
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Re: Destination Charge in Leasing [bigdadi118] by dwynne
Apr 20, 2008 (5:10 pm)
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Replying to: bigdadi118 (Apr 20, 2008 4:18 pm)

You do not understand, you do have to pay the destination charge it is standard on every vehicle sold.
 
What Boch and many other dealers do is list prices on their web page, ads, and in e-mail and phone offers that DO NOT INCLUDE the destination fee. This makes their numbers sound a lot better than the competition and is used to lure you onto the lot where they then add destination back onto the price. Dealers do the same thing with a high doc or prep fee - they advertise or give out a good price, then sock the fee on top of it once someone tries to lease or purchase the vehicle.
 
A smart shopper makes sure that all quotes they compare include the vehicle, destination, and any dealer dor or prep fees. Then you compare these quotes and choose the lowest and THEN you go to the dealer to get it. If you are not specific that you want the quote to include these three things then you will be fooled into going to a dealer that will try to inflate the price on you. If they do give you quotes that include everything and they try to add something once you are there, just leave.
 
The bank fee / acquisition fee is $595 with AHFC and does have to be paid on every lease.
 
Dennis
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Re: Destination Charge in Leasing [dwynne] by bigdadi118
Apr 20, 2008 (7:12 pm)
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Replying to: dwynne (Apr 20, 2008 5:10 pm)

I talked live online with Boch's internet sales person and I printed the conversation out. I asked the amount due at signing and the breakdown. Online he didn't quote me destination charge. I brought along the print out and showed it to that floor manager as soon as he showed me his figure due upon signing w/destination charge. He saw my printout then simply crossed it out and go in the office & come back again some other numbers. He just play around some numbers and intends to squeeze buyers as much as money as possible for the dealer.
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Re: Destination Charge in Leasing [bigdadi118] by dwynne
Apr 21, 2008 (5:07 am)
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Replying to: bigdadi118 (Apr 20, 2008 7:12 pm)

If you specifically asked if the price included the destination and he said it did, then they lied and tricked you onto the lot hoping you would do the deal anyway.
 
If you did not ask if it was included, then they just tricked you into coming onto the lot hoping you would do the deal anyway.
 
Either way, bad dealer - no biscuit .
 
Dennis
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misc fees by swampdragon
Apr 21, 2008 (6:10 am)
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I am not sure that Honda charges a bank fee - and the security deposit is dealer optional - I havent had one on my last 2 hondas
 
Here is the deal that I am picking up before the end of the month.
 
It is the regional deal with a little improvement
 
4WD Honda Pilot VP
$335 a month (that includes sales tax in NJ) - sales tax in NJ is 7% on just the monthly lease payment - the base number is $314
36 months, 36k miles
$500 down and also $280 for 3 years of motor vehicle fees - the car wont need registration again while I own it
 
I thought this was a pretty good price
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Re: misc fees [swampdragon] by dwynne
Apr 21, 2008 (9:32 am)
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Replying to: swampdragon (Apr 21, 2008 6:10 am)

I am not sure that Honda charges a bank fee - and the security deposit is dealer optional - I haven't had one on my last 2 hondas
 
The acquisition fee / bank fee is $595. Security deposit is not "Dealer optional" it is required or waived by AHFC. For top tier lessees and returning lessees it is normally waived. If it is not, you can bump the MF up by 0.0001 (IIRC) and AHFC will waive the security deposit.
 
You should not base your deal off on any published Honda "special" deals since those leave a lot on the table. You should negotiate the price of the Pilot down to invoice less incentive ($1,500 for the VP with cheap lease) for the vehicle, destination, and any dealer doc/prep fees - or less. Based on what you posted, I have no idea if you got a good deal or not - tell us how much the Pilot was and the dealer fees.
 
Dennis
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Re: Destination Charge in Leasing [dwynne] by bigdadi118
Apr 21, 2008 (12:59 pm)
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Replying to: dwynne (Apr 21, 2008 5:07 am)

Herb Chambers Honda (Boston) internet sales refused to quote any price over the phone or by email. They require me to go to the dealership to work out the numbers.
 
Of course I refused and say "Thank you very much. I won't come down until I have some solid numbers that I understand. See you later!"
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Re: Leasing in Chicago Area by dougmorris35
Apr 21, 2008 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: dwynne (Apr 19, 2008 3:51 pm)

After getting some responses from dealers, my best first quote on E XL Nav is:
 
36 mo/12k miles/year
MSRP 36280
Invoice 32905
 
Base Cap Cost: 28,857
Downpayment of : 2918.90 (including tax of 2326, 1st mo pmt of 424.90 and Title/Lic of 168).
Residual of 18,140
Payment of 424.90
 
No info on money factor
 
I have another quote, but nowhere near this one.

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