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Honda Accord Lease Questions

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negotiated cost or msrp? by choochbertucci
Nov 12, 2008 (4:54 pm)
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tonight i was at my local honda dealer (north jersey) looking to lease an `09 accord lx-p. i negotiated a cap cost that was 20,675 including destination charge. msrp is 23,275.
 
i asked him to run the numbers for a lease with no cap cost reductions to see what the monthly payment would be. now, when the salesperson returned with some lease numbers, he quoted a residual percentage at 62% and the residual figure at 14,305.
 
correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the residual figure based on the percentage of the negotiated cap cost (20,675)? if not, i don't see why one would negotiate a sales price if they are going to base the residual on the msrp. i've seen some conflicting information on some websites, one says that residual value is ALWAYS based on msrp, but that doesn't seem right.
 
also, i thought sales tax was based on the depreciation of the car, not the residual value. he was telling me that the taxes were based on the 14,305.
 
i'm sorry if i didn't give the right information to answer my question, but hopefully someone can answer. thanks.
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Re: negotiated cost or msrp? [choochbertucci] by kingpcgeek
Nov 13, 2008 (5:30 am)
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Replying to: choochbertucci (Nov 12, 2008 4:54 pm)

The residual is based on the MSRP. You negotiate a selling price because one factor of your lease payment is depreciation. Depreciation is the difference between the selling price and the residual value of the car at the end of the lease. So the lower the selling price of the car, the lower the depreciation (and interest).
 
Taxes on leases are calculated differently based on the state. In most states you pay sales tax based on the monthly payment, in other states you pay taxes on the total selling price of the car, I have never heard of taxes being charged on the residual value of the car. But I do think that NJ is one of the odd ball states with regards to taxes and leases.
 
Lease Payment Calculation Formula:
(Cap Cost – Residual Value) / Term = Depreciation
(Cap Cost + Residual Value) X Base Rate = Interest
Depreciation + Interest = Base Monthly Payment
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NJ sales tax on leases by kyfdx HOST
Nov 13, 2008 (7:42 am)
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I'm pretty sure it's based on the total payments, but then paid upfront or added to the cap cost...
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Re: 09 Accord LX-P Lease Deal [srq5363] by Car_man HOST
Nov 13, 2008 (6:08 pm)
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Replying to: srq5363 (Nov 07, 2008 6:37 pm)

Hi srq5363. Honda Finance's current buy rate lease money factor for the 2009 Accord is .00184, which is equivalent to an interest rate of around 4.4%. I don't know what the dealer who told you about the 1.9% was talking about, but they're wrong.
 
Negotiate as low a selling price as possible on the car that you want and then have the dealer calculate your monthly payment using the aforementioned lease money factor. If I was in the market for an '09 Accord right now, I personally would shoot for a selling price of dealer invoice. You can look up this car's invoice price over in the New Vehicle Pricing section of Edmunds.com.
 
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Re: Residual value on 36 months Lease ??? [spidy99] by Car_man HOST
Nov 13, 2008 (6:34 pm)
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Replying to: spidy99 (Nov 08, 2008 8:05 pm)

Hi spidy99. If I am not mistaken, the Accord Sedan and Coupe have the same money factor right now, .00184 (for consumers who qualify for its "Super Preferred" credit tier and pay a security deposit at lease signing).
 
Honda Finance's residual values vary by trim level. You never fully described the car that you're interested in, so for now I will assume that you want an '09 Accord Coupe EX-L with nav, The 36 month, 12,000 mile per year residual value for this car is 57%. The resid for an otherwise identical lease of an EX-L V6 w/nav is 55%.
 
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Re: Residual value on 36 months Lease ??? [Car_man] by bvdj84
Nov 14, 2008 (6:43 am)
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Replying to: Car_man (Nov 13, 2008 6:34 pm)

Car_man,
 
 Does it look more attractive to lease an 09 Accord or 09 Acura TSX?
 
Please let me know, I am favoring the TSX. But, the Accord would be great too.
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by gab2409
Nov 15, 2008 (3:30 pm)
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I hope car_man will shed his opinion on the matter, as I have looked extensively at the two cars (TSX base and accord coupe ex-l 4 cylinder). from the quotes I received, I think I can get out cheaper on a base TSX. I think that is going to be the way to go for me.
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Re: [gab2409] by bvdj84
Nov 15, 2008 (6:06 pm)
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Replying to: gab2409 (Nov 15, 2008 3:30 pm)

Hopefully we will get an answer as, I have asked this before..lol.
 
 It does look more attractive. I would be totally happy with a base model TSX. Still be in better lease terms than the Accord. Based on quotes I got too.
 
On the TSX you'll get a more sporty transmission, paddleshifters of the wheel, plus I really think you won't lose much style when compared to the coupe Accord. I think the TSX is very cool, or what you call, a hot car..lol. I picture mine, black on black with tinted windows.
 
Thanks for any insight.
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by gab2409
Nov 15, 2008 (6:48 pm)
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the big perks for me are the bluetooth, HID's and fog lights. other than that, I would be fine with either one. but, for the same price, it doesn't make sense to go with the accord, in my opinion.
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Re: [gab2409] by bvdj84
Nov 15, 2008 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: gab2409 (Nov 15, 2008 6:48 pm)

I agree. That for me is a plus too.

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