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Honda Accord Lease Questions

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Re: AHFC Current Offers Money Factors [kingpcgeek] by mplshondadlr
Jul 31, 2008 (2:45 pm)
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Replying to: kingpcgeek (Jul 31, 2008 2:03 pm)

I think because they're selling very well on thier own AND supply is low (in pockets of the coutry - sun belt states).
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Lease analysis LX-P by mdominik
Jul 31, 2008 (6:16 pm)
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Goodness knows what lease calculators some dealers use - below is an offer I received today, I'm trying to analyze this offer, but none of my lease calculators match these outcomes. If someone else can analyze this and come up with the same figures, I'd be very grateful to know how it was derived. I live in New Jersey, with 7% sales tax. Thanks!
 
1. MSRP = $22,795
2. Selling price = $20,920
3. AHFC acquisition fee = $595.00
4. Capital cost reduction = $2,500.00
5. Dealer doc fees = $224.00
6. Dealer add ons = $0
7. Residual $ value after 36 months = $13,698.00 (12K PER YEAR)
8. Money factor for 36 months = .00186
9. Registration cost (3 years in NJ) = $184.00
10. Sales tax = $942.00 (buyer note: this is 7% of 13,457!?)
11. Monthly lease payment (36 months) = $255.00
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Re: Lease analysis LX-P [mdominik] by kingpcgeek
Jul 31, 2008 (6:29 pm)
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Replying to: mdominik (Jul 31, 2008 6:16 pm)

I strongly suggest you do not put $2,500 cap cost reduction down. Unless for some reason the finance company is requiring you to put cap reduction down you should not put any down.
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Re: Lease analysis LX-P [mdominik] by kyfdx HOST
Aug 01, 2008 (3:01 am)
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Replying to: mdominik (Jul 31, 2008 6:16 pm)

New Jersey taxes the total of the lease payments, but you pay it all upfront... Add up the payments, plus any upfront money ($2500?), then multiply by 7%... that will be your tax.. (hopefully)
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Re: Lease analysis LX-P [kyfdx] by mdominik
Aug 01, 2008 (3:47 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Aug 01, 2008 3:01 am)

Host, thank you, but the hopefulness is futile - their numbers don't add up. In addition, I had no intention of putting down that much cap reduction, it's just what they assumed for their purposes, I don't know why. I simply needed their first proposal to come back with a counter proposal that includes my own figures for cap cost and minimal cap reduction, but when I receive a proposal that doesn't add up, I wonder if I want to continue with this dealer. Ah, the joys of auto buying and negotiating!
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Re: Lease analysis LX-P [mdominik] by wchang
Aug 01, 2008 (4:08 am)
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Replying to: mdominik (Aug 01, 2008 3:47 am)

Hi Mdominik, Can you post what dealer this is? I have a similar quote from Paragon in Queens, NY whose numbers don't add up either no matter how i try.
 
I have a quote from another NJ dealer I'm getting ready to sign with for
Honda Accord 08 LX
 
MSRP 21830
Neg. Price: 19550 (incl. Destination charge)
Down: $0
Money Factor (.00186)
36 Months
12,000 miles / year = 60% residual
resulting in about $254/month with taxes incl.
 
Inception fees are: $199 Doc fee (sigh, will try to argue this)
$187.5 Registration, $7.5 tire tax, and $595 acquisition fee.
 
Asking around that seems to be the best deal I could find. I was thinking about heading in today to purchase, would I be making a mistake?
 
I was told the Honda rates might change in Aug. Does anyone have the Aug Numbers yet?
 
I have a similar quote to the above from another NJ dealer much much closer, with a neg. price of 19450 (100 lower), but they want me to pay taxes up front (652.48) and add in acquisition fee (595) into the monthly payment. This seems odd to me. Especially since I can't seem to get that tax figure to come up in my calculators.. any suggestions?
 
thanks in advance
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Re: Lease analysis LX-P [wchang] by mdominik
Aug 01, 2008 (4:17 am)
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Replying to: wchang (Aug 01, 2008 4:08 am)

wchang - it's in southern NJ, Turnersville Honda, probably too far from you. The tax calculations are vexing. I too am being told the MF is only good through Monday Aug 5, but they seem to purposely keep the sales people in the dark about future direction. Your negotiated price of 19,550 is attractive. Here's what I plan on trying to keep the confusing sales tax out of the picture for now: tell them to work numbers that are only for the car, and I'll pay sales tax, acq fee (can't get out of that one, it's Honda Finance profit), doc fees, registration (3 years up front in NJ), etc. That keeps it clean. Then compare the results against the Edmunds lease calculator to verify
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/calc/CalculatorController?pmtcalAction=lease_calc
Good luck, I may be in purchasing mode this weekend too.
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Re: Lease analysis LX-P [wchang] by mdominik
Aug 01, 2008 (4:23 am)
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Replying to: wchang (Aug 01, 2008 4:08 am)

wchang - I ran your numbers from the LX offer from NJ dealer and they don't add up for me - I get something like $241/mo using the Edmunds lease calculator.
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Re: Lease analysis LX-P [mdominik] by wchang
Aug 01, 2008 (4:41 am)
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Replying to: mdominik (Aug 01, 2008 4:17 am)

Hi MDominik,
The edmunds lease calc confuses me a bit, my understanding is that taxes are taxed based on your monthly payment, and not the value of the car. If I pay taxes up front, wouldn't that really just be (mnthly payment * 36) * 7% NJ Sales Tax?
 
Good luck to you as well. Lets hope the aug. #'s don't shift too drastically .
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Re: Lease analysis LX-P [wchang] by mdominik
Aug 01, 2008 (4:53 am)
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Replying to: wchang (Aug 01, 2008 4:41 am)

re: NJ sales tax. I don't really understand it either, I have a call in to the dealer to explain. If I learn more, I will post it. A few posts back the moderator for this discussion thread suggested that NJ sales tax would be (total of payments + any cap cost reduction) * tax rate. (7% in our case)
 
Using the Edmunds calculator works easiest if you get the following quote from the dealer: ask them to give you all the pertinent figures (sales price, MF, residual %, acq fee, docs, title&reg, sales tax) but to NOT include the acq fee, sales tax, docs, title&reg in the monthly payment. Tell them you'll pay all that upfront, even if you change your mind and decide to let it be included. Then you can use the calculator and zero the entries for sales tax, acq fee, title reg costs, and see if their figure matches what Edmunds calculator tells you. If not, tell them you need an explanation. If they line up, then you can consider adding back in the acq fee and the title reg costs, etc, and recalculating.
 
Good luck!

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