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Cadillac CTS Lease Questions

371 messages,  Last post on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:23 AM

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by gator5000e
Dec 18, 2008 (5:06 am)
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Thanks Car_man. That MF and residual (45%) became secondary when they disclosed their privacy policy to me as I was about to close the deal (or anti-privacy policy as the case may be).
 
I was set to take delivery on a new CTS today. All details had been worked out, price agreed on, etc. The dealership just needed a credit app to get the lease approved. They faxed over a credit app and along with the app is a Privacy Policy form.
 
The form basically reads that they can take my “Private Information” and disclose it to anyone, including "Marketing Service Providers", "Affiliates" and “Other Third Parties”.
 
Private Information is defined as info we received through any apps or forms and includes name, address, SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER and income.
  
 This form is not giving me the option to opt out of this policy. It is merely an acknowledgment of what they can and might do with my information with or without my permission.
  
 The dealer General Manager says no one has ever bitched at this before and that it has never caused a problem. I do not like the idea they may give my SS# out to anyone they want to, even though the Gen Manager says, verbally, they won’t do it.
  
 This really bugs me but am I making a mountain out of a mole hill? I told the GM it was a deat breaker. I asked for a letter saying they won't do this but he said he wasn't going to send me one.
 
I tried to buy the CTS but I keep running into obstacles. Maybe it's all a sign.
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Re: [Car_man] by sam_k
Jan 14, 2009 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: Car_man (Nov 03, 2008 4:34 am)

Car_man,
 
Is GM still cutting back on leasing support like you mentioned a couple of months ago? I was considering leasing a Cadillac CTS AWD but if what you said still holds true, then I'll just stick with my other option, the Infiniti G37x sedan. Thanks.
 
Sam
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Re: [sam_k] by Car_man HOST
Jan 15, 2009 (3:18 am)
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Replying to: sam_k (Jan 14, 2009 6:40 am)

Hi Sam. While General Motors did reintroduce its special financing offers when GMAC received a huge cash infusion from the government, it unfortunately did not bring back its special lease program. In fact, if I recall correctly the agreement between GMAC and the government actually prohibits it from leasing, or at least places some significant restrictions upon it. If this is indeed the case, I wouldn't count on GM bringing its lease program back any time soon.
 
If you are set on leasing, you will be much better off going with the Infiniti G37 Sedan.
 
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What's a good deal for purchase? by waffleman
Mar 04, 2009 (8:05 am)
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Regarding this deal:
Vehicle Price: $41,520.00
White Diamond Paint + Sunroof
  Preferred Customer Discount: - $4,725.24
  Customer Rebate: - $6,000.00
  Selling Price: $30,794.76
 
Looks like a pretty good deal to me. Are those types of deal only available for leasing? Can you get similar deals with purchase? I'd purchase in a heartbeat for similar type of discount. What is everyone's experience?
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Re: [kyfdx] by northstar7
Apr 04, 2009 (8:54 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Dec 14, 2008 5:04 am)

That money factor is horrible. BMW will give you money factors equating to 1.55%
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GM Sucks. by wvgasguy
May 11, 2009 (12:30 pm)
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Give us back the bailout money and shut down. Excellent lease incentives. $7000 plus Supplier Pricing and Bonus cash and my capital costs would be about $32.5K.
 
The rub? They want 24% interest rate for the money factor. I confirmed this with a second dealer.
 
I've been close a couple of times on Cadillac, but never worked out a deal. This one probably kills my last chance before they become owned by the US Government and the Union. I liked the idea of leasing over purchase because of the long term security of GM. I don't really see how they are going to make it.
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Re: GM Sucks. [wvgasguy] by sam_k
May 11, 2009 (2:39 pm)
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Replying to: wvgasguy (May 11, 2009 12:30 pm)

24% interest rate?! That's insane. Did you take the money factor and multiply it 2400 to get that interest rate? I was thinking about leasing a CTS but after Car_man indicated that GM was providing no lease support anymore, I stopped considering it. If 24% is the interest rate, it must be super expensive to lease.
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Re: GM Sucks. [sam_k] by wvgasguy
May 11, 2009 (6:06 pm)
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Replying to: sam_k (May 11, 2009 2:39 pm)

That's basically what I told him. I repeated to the Manager, what is the money factor? He replied it is a 24% interest rate. He didn't bat an eye. I told the second dealer I called that I would have a hard time telling anyone that with a straight face.
 
There is lease support though. They told me no, there was no offers. I said I just got off of the GM Supplier site at work and they listed incentives. He said no, I pointed to the paper I had with the GM supplier price of the car on their lot and told him in addition to the almost $3K off, there was $7000 of lease incentive. He went back into the room and brought out a bunch of papers. Oh, he said that's for people with a lease. I said no, that's just a lease incentive. I also have a leased vehicle with a end date before 10/31 so that offer is an additional $2K. He shuffled the papers more and found that. Then I said it appears there is a $1K Bonus cash for the GM Supplier people. He found all that and I figured I nailed this one.
 
So I said, now that we have that, my questions were about the residual and the lease factor. That's when he came back with the 24% interest rate. So I repeated myself knowing GM was given tax bailout money to open up their stores, so surely they wouldn't try to rip us off.
 
I've only leased once. I do see thought that the support is available even if you use a source for the lease other then GM. I assume in some areas Banks do that?
 
In January they had a $5K or $7K similar offer on a purchase for people with leases ending XX 2009. I didn't hit that window or I would have bought one then.
 
I've probably stopped in for the last time as I've tried to deal several times over the years on a Cadillac and never came close to the deals I was able to make with the Toyota's and Ford dealerships.
 
I guess there are enough people that won't drive anything but a Cadillac that they see no need to get new customers and continue to mess over the existing ones.
 
Seems like a business model that would put you out of business. Oh wait, it is putting them out of business.
 
If they recover it will be from Obama giving them my taxes (and my kids and grandkids taxes), not from me purchasing a vehicle.
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May 09 MF and Residuals by couchman57
May 14, 2009 (11:43 am)
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OK Carman, is the $7k lease incentive offset by crazy MF and low residuals??
 
Can you supply the latest MF and residuals?
 
I was interested in heading to Cadillac dealer but this type of information may push me back to BMW or Acura....
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Re: May 09 MF and Residuals [couchman57] by Car_man HOST
May 15, 2009 (2:25 am)
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Replying to: couchman57 (May 14, 2009 11:43 am)

Hi couchman57. GMAC is no longer leasing vehicles, so in order to lease a CTS one would have to do so through an independent bank. I don't personally keep tabs on the money factors and residual values that independent banks are offering, but I would be shocked if the money factors that are out there really were equivalent to an interest rate of 24%. It sounds like the dealer who said that just doesn't want anyone to lease this car for some reason, or doesn't know what he's talking about. I don't even think that banks are allowed to charge consumers interest rates that are that high on auto loans and leases.
 
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