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#2087 of 2374 Re: Question about MF, fees and incentives [ans9806]
Oct 08, 2012 (12:36 pm)
Also did you get 20's or 19s? (Sports activity vs premium?)
That's a big question considering the hills and little snow we get here!
#2088 of 2374 Re: Question about MF, fees and incentives [habitat1]
Oct 08, 2012 (12:52 pm)
Appreciate your thoughts. I drove the X5d (twice, actually) because I wanted to convince myself to want it, but it just wasn't for me. At some point, buying a $65,000 SUV becomes an emotional decision, and for all the practical benefits of the diesel, I just didn't like it as well.
#2089 of 2374 Re: Question about MF, fees and incentives [gurm]
Oct 08, 2012 (1:31 pm)
BMW of Seattle was my dealer, but to be honest I'm not sure it matters. This is my third BMW...first one was from Bellevue and the last two from Seattle. I work downtown, so having the dealer closer (for free car washes, mostly) is slightly nicer, but doubt I got a better deal than I could have at Bellevue. Probably the biggest perk of the Seattle dealer is that you can park at the dealership on Seahawk game days, which is really nice if you have season tickets!
I got the 19s with all-weather tires. Much as I like the look of the 20s, they come with performance tires, which are terrible in the snow.
#2090 of 2374 Re: Question about MF, fees and incentives [ans9806]
Oct 08, 2012 (2:27 pm)
I am purchasing instead of leasing.
Any idea how much I could get off msrp?
I'll stick to 20's.....they look much better I think. I'll swap the RFTs with non-RFT...the DWs's...all season tires. Good looks with fair level of handling in snow.
#2091 of 2374 Re: Question about MF, fees and incentives [gurm]
Oct 08, 2012 (2:36 pm)
There should be no difference in your negotiation over price with a purchase versus a lease. Leases are more complicated because of money factor, but everything else is the same with a purchase.
#2092 of 2374 Re: Question about MF, fees and incentives [ans9806]
Oct 08, 2012 (3:23 pm)
Thanks for the helpful information.
Together we could score a better deal. Buying two X5s on the same day......they would've loved it......u know that I mean.
#2093 of 2374 Re: Question about MF, fees and incentives [ans9806]
Oct 08, 2012 (7:21 pm)
I agree, Do not see a reason to buy the diesel, if you want to save few bucks than a Honda or Toyota will save you money not a a German car.
Here is my few cents on the topic.
1- Diesel is slower and sluggish and less responsive than the x5 3.5 gas
2- The Msrp savings are about 1000 only when comparing same options
3- You get the old 6 speed transmission, no 8 speed which is in x5 3.5 gas. No one will tell you that. Therefore your are getting a lower price on the car
4- In California diesel is 15 cents more expensive than premium gas and the spread will be wider overtime. Oil companies have to account for cannbilzation, therefor they have to raise the price of diesel to of set the efficiency of the engine. Otherwise they will sell less gallons of fuel which means less profit
5- the diesel car is heavier which means it stops slower and handels inferior to the x5 gas
6- the sound of engine is ugly compared to the amazing BMW gas engine
7- all BMW salespeople and many members of this forum who are affiliated with BMW want to push the diesel product, because is not desirable and they make more money on it.
8- the tourqe story is exaggerated and used for marketing. This is for towing uphill, what is the point if the car is powerful but not as responsive as gas. Still gas is more than 1 second faster to 60 with less tourqe.
9- When leasing the residual on the diesel is less than gas. Gas is 60% diesel is lower about 58%
#2094 of 2374 Re: Question about MF, fees and incentives [ab10000]
Oct 09, 2012 (7:43 am)
Again, to each their own, but about half of your rationale is full of crap.
(1) Diesel is comparable or quicker 40-80 than the 3.5i gas.
(2) MSRP difference is at least $1,500 with eco credit, apples to apples.
(3) No one hid the fact that it's a 6 speed from me. You don't need 8 gears when you have 425 ft. lbs of torque over a broad rev band and the redline is 5,000 rpm.
(4) In DC and all the areas I travel in, diesel is 5-15+ cents LESS than premium, in most cases closer to mid-grade.
(5) The weight difference in the diesel is under 5% and virtually imperceptible re: handling on a track, let alone in everyday driving. I know, I drove it and the X5 3.5i at the BMW Performance Delivery Center. Want to save 600+ lbs, buy the Cayenne, not the X5 3.5i. That's a difference you can feel.
(6) The sound of the engine is nearly non-existent behind the wheel. And you don't have to listen to the sound of the gas pump clinging away your dollars 40% faster.
(7) BMW overselling the diesel?? Just the opposite. I had to ask about the diesel and did all my own research w/o any BMW salespeople pushing me towards it.
(8) Can only conclude this is a statement based upon ignorance and no first hand driving experience. Or at least not through the serious paces I put the vehicle through when test driving against everything from a Cayenne to Q7 to X5M.
(9) I don't lease and I keep my vehicles for an average of 8-10+ years (except for "fun" cars). There is no doubt in my mind that, under that scenario, the economics of the diesel look better than the gas.
Again, I value performance and handling as much or more than the next guy. I am currently in the market for a replacement for my 911S that I sold last April, and spent Saturday test driving a new 911S, Boxster S and M3. The X5 3.5i is a great vehicle and you would never hear me say or argue otherwise. I just happen to think the X5d is an even better vehicle and value. Porsche is charging a $4k premium for their Cayenne diesel, and it is getting tremendous positive press and reviews. By comparison, the X5d is a no brainer. If you only have one vehicle to buy and somehow think that the sound of a diesel engine on the outside of the vehicle is offensive, you could do a lot worse than getting a X5 3.5i. On the other hand, I'll take the X5d and use it like a great handling, great performing, very fuel efficient SUV. And save my sports car needs for another Porsche or alternative.
Oct 09, 2012 (1:37 pm)
Ok, so I know everyone gets emotional on these boards, but I'm really looking for some insight from people with BMW knowledge. We've had Mercedes for many years and now we are looking an X5 diesel straight in the eyes/halos. I get the money factor and residual, but what is realistic to get the price down to?
Edmunds TMV shows $57k, which includes the ECO credit I assume, but others are getting invoice minus ECO? We get USAA ($1k) and the rest is good old fashioned negotiating as we don't have loyalty. For a roughly $64k X5d, I was offered discounts of ECO, USAA, and another because it's service loaner, but to me it seems that we should be able to get at least a few thousand off sticker in addition to the ECO, USAA, and any allowance for a few thousand miles. Is this in line or out of line? It ends up being about $10k - $11k off MSRP is what I'm shooting for and then work the lease. Comments appreciated.
#2096 of 2374 Re: '12 X5 35d Lease [christiands]
Oct 09, 2012 (3:16 pm)
Our X5d that we custom ordered had an MSRP of $63,845 - SAV, Premium, BMW Apps and running boards. We got a discount of $3,550, plus the $4,500 eco credit and a $1,000 drive event discount. Net price before taxes $54,795. Hope this helps.
I am not a big fan of buying demo's or service loaners, unless the additional discount is compelling (a few thousand $+). I want to know that the car has been broken in properly (preferably by me), or at least has not been driven by 50 different drivers, some of whom might have been auditioning for the next jackass movie. If you can swing it, do the custom order, get exactly what you want, and pick it up at the Performance Delivery Center in Spartanburg. With 0.2 miles on the odometer.