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Re: lease rates [kyfdx] by mfinnerty003
Jan 21, 2006 (8:06 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Jan 21, 2006 6:15 am)

Thanks...Yes 3.0i...lookoing at the following:
 
2006 - 3 yr., 36000 mi lease
 
Premium, Sport, Cold Weather, Navigation, Auto, $52.9k MSRP
 
Dealer's first pass was $51.9k, 59% residual, .0014 money factor, $5k down (trade and/or cash)= ~$675 per month....I know I can do better with the money factor and base price...thoughts on this deal anyone?
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Re: lease rates [mfinnerty003] by kyfdx HOST
Jan 21, 2006 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: mfinnerty003 (Jan 21, 2006 8:06 am)

$52,900 MSRP
$50,900 Selling price ($2K off.. an average deal)
$51,525 Cap cost (selling price + $625 acq.fee)
3yr/36K lease
Residual 59%
Base money factor .0010
Payment = $647/mo.plus tax.
Due at signing: 1st payment, security deposit, license/title fees. ($1600-$1700)
 
Never put $5K down on a lease... If you have trade equity, have them cut you a check for the balance..
 
Hope this helps,
kyfdx
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Re: lease rates [kyfdx] by duncan66
Jan 21, 2006 (8:03 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Jan 21, 2006 11:19 am)

why is it better to get a check if you have trade equity. Wouldn't it reduce your cap cost?
 
Also, regarding a security deposit, is paying a security deposit a trade off between a lower money factor (and thus lower monthly payments) and the risk that you'll never see the deposit again.
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Re: lease rates [kyfdx] by bodhi2
Jan 21, 2006 (8:25 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Jan 21, 2006 11:19 am)

I would like to lease a BMW X5 this year.
I have a 1999 Volvo sedan that is fully paid for and would like to trade in and Lease a BMW X5.
Any thoughts on how I should deal the trade in into the Lease values.
 
Thanks for any info
 
Bodhi24
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Re: lease rates [duncan66] by kyfdx HOST
Jan 22, 2006 (4:21 pm)
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Replying to: duncan66 (Jan 21, 2006 8:03 pm)

Putting extra money into a cap cost reduction is money that is at risk.. If your car were to be stolen or totaled in an accident early in the lease term, your insurance company will pay off the lease balance, but in most cases you would receive nothing back.. So, if you make a $5K cap cost reduction and totaled the vehicle within the first six months, it would make your cost per month very, very high.. The only money you save by making an additional cap cost reduction is the finance charges on that portion.. This is usually only $1-$2 per thousand per month..
 
As to the second question, I'm not sure what risk you are referring to.. regarding the security deposit.
 
regards,
kyfdx
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Re: lease rates [kyfdx] by duncan66
Jan 22, 2006 (6:33 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Jan 22, 2006 4:21 pm)

kyfdx - thanks for the reply on the cap cost reduction. On the security deposit it seems as if some people believe putting one down will result in a greater likelihood of it being applied for "excess wear and tear" (i.e. somehow there'll be a reason for it not to be refunded - is that the reality in most cases or a cynical view - just curious)
 
I was quoted the following 3.0 X5 3YR/36K miles
Residual 59%
money factor - .012 ($500 security deposit)
or factor of .00135 (no security deposit)
Assignment fee $895
 
Do the factors seems reasonable?
What is the assignment fee for - I was told that it was a BMW Finance charge that could not be waived - is that correct? Should I expect some fees to be charged no matter what to cover paperwork/termination or something else.
Thanks in advance for any help/comments
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Re: lease rates [duncan66] by kyfdx HOST
Jan 22, 2006 (8:16 pm)
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Replying to: duncan66 (Jan 22, 2006 6:33 pm)

The residual is non-negotiable.. it is set by the bank (BMWFS)..
 
The base money factor is .0010.. w/security deposit.. The dealer is marking it up to .0012 for extra profit.. The maximum markup allowed by BMWFS is .0004, for a total of .0014..
 
The acquisition fee (aka bank fee or assignment fee) is $625.. I believe that BMWFS only allows them to mark it up $200 to $825. It's true.. this fee cannot be waived, except for an addition to the money factor of .0003... It is much better to pay it, or roll it into the lease payment..
 
There is a disposition fee at the end of lease.. but, that is waived, if you lease another BMW..
 
I leased a BMW just a couple of months ago.. Other than the $625 acquisition fee and the security deposit, my other charges came to $114 total.. That covered title/registration/license plates..etc.. So, it is definitely possible to do a lease deal without getting soaked with extras..
 
I've leased quite a few cars, and other than over-mileage charges, the largest "wear and tear" charges I've had is $70 for a cracked marker lens.. This included one car that had $9000 of body damage (repaired, naturally).. Every turn-in inspection I've had, has been more than fair.. I haven't seen any evidence that the security deposit has anything to do with it.. Most inspectors don't even know if you have one or not....
 
regards,
kyfdx
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Re: lease rates [kyfdx] by duncan66
Jan 27, 2006 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Jan 22, 2006 8:16 pm)

Kyfdx -thanks for the help. A couple of more questions if I may
 
1. GAP Insurance - the dealer tells me the BMWFS covers that automatically - is that true? or will I need to pay a separate amount for that when I pick up the leased car.
 
2. Disposition fee - is that a standard amount or can the dealer mark that up? (I realize that it will be waived if I lease a new BMW again)
 
3. Assignment fee - the dealer tells me that a sales tax is due on this fee. I'm in Massachusetts and while this may vary from state to state, I was curious on whether it is typically taxed by states etc.
 
4. I signed a motor vehicle purchase contract detailing the terms of our agreement (i.e. trade in (I have positive equity) as well as monthly lease payments and amount due at signing of lease etc). I am curious if there are any other "tricks", last minute fees or other items that are brought up when the lease is signed that I should be aware of or prepared for so as to avoid any surprises - just curious.
 
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Re: lease rates [duncan66] by kyfdx HOST
Jan 27, 2006 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: duncan66 (Jan 27, 2006 6:15 am)

1) Correct.. included by BMWFS
 
2) $350.. the dealer isn't involved with this..
 
3) $625 is base fee.. BMWFS allows the dealer to mark up by $200... Typically, this is taxed..
 
4) If you have everything in writing, I would expect the deal to be exactly that.. If it isn't.. firmly insist on it.. Most BMW dealers don't play too many "last-minute" games.. They usually give you the bad news right up front..
 
regards,
kyfdx
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