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1116 messages, Last post on Dec 04, 2009 at 10:39 PM
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Replying to: Car_man (Jul 15, 2009 2:45 am) BMW will tell you that leased X5 diesels are NOT eligible for the $1,800 tax credit. I asked my sales person to research this with BMW North America and they provided paperwork that confirms BMW's statement. BMW's web site also says that a leased X5 3.5d is not eligible for the tax credit. However, the IRS says different: "For a taxpayer to claim the credit, the original use of the vehicle must begin with the taxpayer and the vehicle must be acquired for use or lease by the taxpayer and not for resale." This statement is from the IRS bulletin for Qualified Advanced Lean-Burn Technology Vehicles that identifies the X5 diesel as being eligible for the tax credit. Fueleconomy.gov has similar language and refers to the IRS bulletin. So if this IRS statement can be taken at face value, BMW is point blank wrong that a taxpayer can't claim the tax credit after leasing a diesel X5. However, BMW will also tell you that claiming the tax credit is up to the tax payer, so they're not stopping you from claiming it.
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Replying to: anon3 (Jul 31, 2009 9:17 am) Lessees are not eligible to claim a tax credit. The leasing party — say, a dealership — can claim the credit. You might be able to finagle an extra discount because of the money they save, but that's up to them. Documentation includes a Bill of Sale from the dealership. BMWFS uses the tax credit to support their residuals and MF on these vehicles.
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Replying to: misterep (Jul 31, 2009 11:20 am) You state that BMWFS uses the tax credit to support the residual on a lease. In that case, the value of the tax credit is already built into the price of the lease through higher residual. You will not be able to "finagle an extra discount because of the money they save" as you put it. That money would come from BMW (not the dealer) and they aren't going to give it to you on top of the residual consideration. I tried that when I first started researching this issue. You state that "Leasees do NOT qualify", but the IRS says they do. The IRS and the tax code are the authority on this subject, not BMW. The confusion comes from language in the original bulletin for Alternative Motor Vehicle Credit for Hybrid Vehicles stating "If a qualifying vehicle is leased to a consumer, the leasing company may claim the credit." The key word is "may". It doesn't say "only" or "will" or "must" or "exclusively" or "the consumer is not eligible". It only says the leasing company can claim it if they choose to. The rest of the bulletin clearly states that taxpayers/consumers who lease are eligible. To avoid a duplicate claim, the question remains whether BMW does claim the credit. Unless you are citing an authoritative source that BMW does claim the credit for a lease, I'm going to follow the IRS bulletin.
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Hi - I was checking to see what the MF was for August 2009 for the X5 35d, 4.8, and 3.0. I am getting conflicting rates from dealers, and wanted to make sure I am getting the correct rate. Thanks.
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Replying to: usctrojan99 (Aug 03, 2009 4:28 pm) You never mentioned how long you want to lease for or what mileage allowance you need, so I had to make some assumptions. Let me know if you want something different. When negotiating your lease on the X5, make sure to take the $4,500 cash incentive that is available on the 35d or the $1,750 loyalty cash that is available on the 3.0 and 4.8 into account. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
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Replying to: Car_man (Aug 04, 2009 2:39 am) Thanks for the reply. I was looking 36 months/10K miles for the lease. For the diesel, one dealer said .0025 and and another quoted .0021.
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Replying to: anon3 (Aug 01, 2009 7:09 am) |
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Hi Carman, you've provided some useful information in this post. Can you tell me the MF and residual for a 2009 X5 diesel.....12000 miles per year/ 36 months? Also, when calculating the residual amount....its the residual percentage multiplied by the MSRP or the negotiated selling price. Thanks Eric 
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Replying to: eonicks (Aug 14, 2009 12:18 pm) |
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Replying to: usctrojan99 (Aug 04, 2009 5:20 pm) Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum |
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