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BMW X3 Lease Questions

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Re: '05 3.0 X3 lease [mvislegirl] by kyfdx HOST
Sep 18, 2005 (3:54 am)
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Replying to: mvislegirl (Sep 17, 2005 5:02 pm)

1) You are correct... all of the numbers add up... You are also correct... This isn't a very good deal..
 
2) $1200 discount from MSRP... Not good at this time of year on an '05.. Most reported deals on the X3 Prices Paid board range from $2000-$3000 off MSRP.
 
3) Money factor .00110 Acquisition fee $825. Both of these numbers are marked up for extra profit.. The base MF without a security deposit is .0090 and the base acq. fee is $625.
 
4) The tax is on the $448 cap cost reduction and the $825 acquisition fee... This is how every state does it... Anything paid upfront that reduces your taxable payment is taxed.. I'm actually surprised they aren't taxing the equity in your trade-in, that you are putting towards the lease..
 
5) The wild card in all of this? Your trade.. Even though they are agreeing to give you Edmunds trade-in value, your car may not be worth that, and they are jacking up all of the other costs to cover for a possible loss on your trade.. (Or, they may just be trying to get all they can... ).
 
regards,
kyfdx
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Re: '05 3.0 X3 lease [mvislegirl] by kyfdx HOST
Sep 18, 2005 (5:29 am)
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Replying to: mvislegirl (Sep 17, 2005 5:02 pm)

I'd want the deal to look like this....
 
$38,795 MSRP
$37,000 Selling price (very reasonable.. fair for both)
$37,625 Cap cost (selling price + $625 acquisition fee)
3yr/30K lease
Residual 63%
MF .00075
Payment $413/mo.+ 5% tax = $434/mo.
 
Due at signing: 1st payment ($434) + security deposit ($450) + license/registration ($264) = $1148 total..
 
If the offer for your Escape is "real", then that should cover the upfront money, with no further payment due from you....
 
So, your trade with nothing out of pocket and $434/mo...
 
regards,
kyfdx
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Re: '05 3.0 X3 lease [kyfdx] by mvislegirl
Sep 18, 2005 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Sep 18, 2005 5:29 am)

Thanks so much for taking the time to look things over for me. I have already given them $2,000 to hold the car till I can get there on Wed. They faxed me something that said $2,000 + the trade, and $400/month which I signed. No other figures on there. Like a half-baked P & S. Am I tied to this deal because I signed that? How do I convince them to give me the $2,000 back (on my credit card)? Is $434 better in the long run than $400 without the up front costs? Thanks!
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Re: '05 3.0 X3 lease [kyfdx] by mvislegirl
Sep 18, 2005 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Sep 18, 2005 5:29 am)

One more quick thing...they told me I wouldn't have to pay a security deposit at all. Is that due to my good credit rating or do they just waive it sometimes? Should I even mention it? Also, is the 10K miles/year fair, or should I ask for 12K?
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Re: '05 3.0 X3 lease [mvislegirl] by kyfdx HOST
Sep 18, 2005 (4:36 pm)
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Replying to: mvislegirl (Sep 18, 2005 8:03 am)

1) The $434/mo without the $2K extra down and getting the $450 security deposit back at the end of the lease, is way better than $400/mo...
 
2) You didn't get the security deposit waived because of your good credit.. you are paying for it.
 
3) If you need 12K miles/year, that reduces the residual by 1% and will raise your payment approx. $11-$12 per month..
 
4) If you want out of this deal, just call them up and say so.... If they won't give your deposit back, call up your credit card company and dispute the charges.. The chances of them keeping your deposit, if you haven't taken delivery of a car are about 1%...
 
regards,
kyfdx
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Re: '05 3.0 X3 lease [kyfdx] by mvislegirl
Sep 19, 2005 (6:20 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Sep 18, 2005 4:36 pm)

kyfdx,
 
You have been so helpful, I can't even tell you! I'm so glad I stumbled on this forum. I'm calling BMW today & will let you know the outcome. Thanks for your help and your honesty!
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Re: '05 3.0 X3 lease [mvislegirl] by bdr127
Sep 19, 2005 (9:32 am)
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Replying to: mvislegirl (Sep 18, 2005 8:03 am)

e more quick thing...they told me I wouldn't have to pay a security deposit at all. Is that due to my good credit rating or do they just waive it sometimes? Should I even mention it? Also, is the 10K miles/year fair, or should I ask for 12K?
 
In order for BMW Financial Services to waive the security deposit, they need to mark up the MF by .00015.... Remember to take this into account when you talk to the dealer.
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Re: '05 3.0 X3 lease [kyfdx] by mvislegirl
Sep 19, 2005 (9:52 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Sep 18, 2005 4:36 pm)

kyfdx...here's my bottom line, which I think is pretty good, thanks to you!
 
I got a little cocky & asked for a $36,500 selling price, plus everything else you suggested. Here's what they came back with:
 
$36,887 selling price
$0 down and my car (which covers 1st payment, security deposit, & lic/reg fees
$625 aquisition fee
$450 security deposit
.00075 money factor
63% residual, 10K/year for 36 months
They came up with $406.67/month + MA 5% tax of $20.33 = $427/month
 
How did I do?
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Re: '05 3.0 X3 lease [bdr127] by mvislegirl
Sep 19, 2005 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: bdr127 (Sep 19, 2005 9:32 am)

They had marked it up to .00110 without a security deposit, so I opted to give them the $450 refundable (we hope!) deposit for the better rate of .00075. Thanks!
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Re: '05 3.0 X3 lease [mvislegirl] by kyfdx HOST
Sep 19, 2005 (11:57 am)
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Replying to: mvislegirl (Sep 19, 2005 9:52 am)

Wow.... you don't need me... You ROCK!!
 
regards,
kyfdx
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