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Re: Need Quick Advice on Lease [0711] by talyvan
May 30, 2006 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: 0711 (May 29, 2006 4:38 pm)

0711
#1 sounds like a decent deal, you might get better discount off the MSRP, say to a total of $2000 or $2250.. push it a little bit., other than that the rest of the numbers look good.
 
#2 If you feel that you'll need more miles, you can buy them at ANY time through the BMW Owner's circle website (actually i found this as a very cool feature).
 
#3 Just keep the car clean and well maintained (sp?), of course after 3 years, the dealer won't expect the carpet mats to be shine and clean, the'll look wear, but if they are burned or falling appart of course it'll be considered as an excess.. you get the idea. Also on the BWM'w website you'll find a very comprehensive checklist to run your car through and you cna even drop it at the dealership few months before your lease end to a wear and tear checkup.
 
#4 A chip is a Chip and a rust is a rust.. unless you live right next to a beach or oyu get hit by a lot of rocks and drive on a lot of snow, don't be worried about this, modern cars are very well protected against rust, and unless is a very bad tratment, I don;t think that in 3 years you'll see any damage, but that's just my opinion.
 
Hope it helps
 
The Talyvan
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Need Quick Advice on Lease by 0711
May 31, 2006 (7:15 am)
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Dear Car_Man,
 
Re: my message on 5/29, I was wondering if you could add a bit to Talyvan's reply, which was also helpful.
 
Re: Excess mileage fee: Is the .20/mile negotiable at the lease signing? Dealer said this fee is not negotiable, and cannot be written into the contract. I understand I might be able to get a lower rate later on (though not guaranteed), but want to know if this is actually something that can be negotiated prior to lease signing and written into the lease contract, or is the dealer correct that we cannot do this?
 
Re: BMW contract wording on excess wear and tear: Should I be concerned that the actual lease contract does not clearly define how big a scratch or dent is that is considered excessive? The lease end inspection form does, but this form is not part of the actual contract. Any advice on this?
 
Re: Rust - the contract does not distinguish between rust from a mfr defect (mfr responsibility) vs. rust from chipped paint owner doesn't repair (owner responsibility). Should I be concerned that contract doesn't distinguish between the two? Any advice on this?
 
Also, is the wording about excess wear and tear pretty much the same on all car lease contracts, or is BMW's any different?
 
I'm hoping to finalize the lease in the next couple of days, and would appreciate your advice before I sign it. Thanks in advance for your help!
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Re: May Lease Program on the X3 first lease [Car_man] by zoshan
May 31, 2006 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: Car_man (May 17, 2006 9:30 am)

Hi Car Man my first post I hope you'll add your comments,
 
I got this X3.0 fully loaded sport package navigation leather every option except parktronic and high-end sound system. I don't know money factor but got the price reduced to $42500 from $45000, gave down $1650 for 12000 miles/ month for 39 month. Total monthly payment 467.85 including taxes and every thing, not sure if this is the best deal.
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Re: Need Quick Advice on Lease [talyvan] by 0711
Jun 02, 2006 (5:33 am)
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Replying to: talyvan (May 30, 2006 11:13 am)

Dear Talyvan,
 
Thanks for your response. I'm still hoping to get Car_Man's response on my 2nd email, but had a couple of questions on your #2 response about mileage.
 
I assume the BMW's circle website rate must be higher than the initial .15/mile that you can buy before the lease is signed - is this true, and do you know what rate they charge on the website (we don't have access to owner's circle yet)? Also, do you know if this rate fluctuates over time or does it remain the same?
 
Do you also know if the rate listed on the contract you sign up front of .20/mile for excess miles is negotiable prior to signing the lease? The dealer said we can't change this rate on the contract and is not negotiable up front.
 
If anyone else out there knows the answer to any of this, I would really appreciate your response as well! We'd love to get the contract finalized this week. Thanks!
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Re: Need Quick Advice on Lease [0711] by kyfdx HOST
Jun 02, 2006 (11:02 am)
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Replying to: 0711 (Jun 02, 2006 5:33 am)

I'm not the expert on leasing that Car_man is, but I've recently leased a BMW, so I can answer some of your questions..
 
1) The $0.20/mi. excess mileage charge is not negotiable.
 
2) At some point, up until the last six months of your lease, you can purchase excess miles from BMWFS for $0.16/ea. These can be added to your lease payment and amortized over the remaining months of your lease. I'm sure it is possible for this number to change, but it has been this way for at least the last three years, if not longer..
 
I think this is a much better deal than buying the miles upfront, as you will be able to come closer to the exact number of miles that you need, once you have some history with the vehicle.
 
Hope this helps..
kyfdx
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Re: Need Quick Advice on Lease [kyfdx] by 0711
Jun 02, 2006 (6:02 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Jun 02, 2006 11:02 am)

Dear Kyfdx
 
Thanks so much for your quick response. It was a great help!
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Re: About the extra miles purchase by talyvan
Jun 05, 2006 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: 0711 (Jun 02, 2006 5:33 am)

Exactly as posted, aditional miles price are not negiotiable, I took the time to cut and paste this from the OC website, I though it'll be interesting to have around.
 
"
What does it mean to buy more Lease miles?
More Miles = more driving fun. So, you think that you might go over the number of miles in your lease contract? BMW Financial Services allows you to buy additional miles today, for up to a 20% savings, and enjoy more driving fun now without paying more later.
 
Why should I buy more miles
Enjoy more miles of exhilarating driving behind the wheel of your BMW. Why worry about having to pay at the end of your lease for going over your allotted miles? Use the mileage calculator to estimate the number of additional miles you want to enjoy in your BMW and see how much you will save by purchasing them now.
 
What are the benefits?
Cost Savings - Save up to 20 percent on additional lease miles by purchasing them ahead of time
 
Flexibility - Additional miles can be purchased in one lump sum payment, or the total cost may be spread out over the remaining monthly payments.
 
It's Easy! Everything you need to complete this process is available right here on the Owners' Circle.
 
Don't delay! This service is available to you until you reach 4 months from the end of your lease. So purchase your additional miles today!
"
 
Talyvan
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Re: Ending X3 Lease Early [gregdbusch] by Car_man HOST
Jun 08, 2006 (3:47 am)
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Replying to: gregdbusch (May 21, 2006 7:15 am)

Congratulations on your new baby, gregdbusch. I certainly know what it is like to have to change vehicles because of a new arrival. That's why I don't drive coupes any more . It's worth it though . Anyhow, I am sure that lots of dealers would like to "help" you get out of your X3 lease and into a new X5. However, dealers do not have some magical way to get you out of your current lease for free. It is probably going to be fairly expensive to get out of your leased X3 over a year before the scheduled end of your lease. You will probably have to pay money out of your pocket to get out of this truck at this point or at least pay way more than you should on your X5 lease. By far, your least expensive option would be to continue to drive your X3 until you are closer to the scheduled end of your lease. If you only have one child it should be big enough to tough it out another couple of months. It's not like we're talking about a Z4 .
 
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Re: My first BMW [mschu3] by Car_man HOST
Jun 08, 2006 (3:50 am)
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Replying to: mschu3 (May 21, 2006 6:53 pm)

Congratulations on your first new BMW, mschu3. It looks like you paid $1,600 over invoice for this truck. That is a reasonable price, but if you are in an area that has a decent level of competition I would not be surprised if you would have been able to get another couple hundred off. The money factor that was used to calculate your truck's monthly payment is right in line with BMW Financial Services' current buy rate for it. Plus this dealer did not try to mark your vehicle's acquisition fee up like a lot of BMW dealers do. Overall I would say that this is a reasonable deal.
 
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Re: May Lease Program on the X3 first lease [zoshan] by Car_man HOST
Jun 08, 2006 (3:57 am)
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Replying to: zoshan (May 31, 2006 6:10 pm)

Greetings zoshan. The selling price that you were quoted for this truck looks reasonable. If you want to fid out how much over dealer invoice it is, you can look up your vehicle's invoice price in the following section off this site: Edmunds.com - New Vehicle Pricing. Let's use BMW's actual current lease program to estimate what its monthly payment should be. According to my calculations, if you were to lease a 2006 BMW X3 with an MSRP of $45,000 and a selling price of $42,500 through BMW FS right now for 39 months with 12,000 miles per year, your zero down, pre-tax monthly payment should be around $452. Since the payment that you were quoted includes tax, it looks about right to me.
 
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