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BMW X3: Lease Questions

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Lease Question by kpj
Sep 22, 2008 (11:42 am)
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I have a current BMW lease that will end next month. Can you let me know the current BMW customer loyalty residual and MF for a 2008 X3 and X5?
 
Thanks,
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BMW X3 by jeannemay
Sep 22, 2008 (2:19 pm)
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Can you tell me a good negotiated lease price per month
MSRP 40975
10,000 miles
36months
taxes and all fees plus 1st month paid and 3500.00 down, no security deposit.
money factor is .00255
Residual value being used is 65%
Northern New Jersey Dealer
NY Tax of 8.13 paying up front
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Re: Lease Question [kpj] by Car_man HOST
Sep 23, 2008 (4:26 am)
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Replying to: kpj (Sep 22, 2008 11:42 am)

Hi kpj. BMW's lease program varies by term and mileage allowance. You never mentioned what either of these variables are, so for now I will assume that you are interested in a 36 month lease with 15,000 miles per year. Let me know if you want something different.
 
BMW Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2008 BMW X3 with 15,000 miles per year are .00240 and 62%, respectively.
 
The numbers for an otherwise identical lease of an '08 X5 3.0si are .00200 and 53%, respectively on models that have the free Premium Package. The money factor is reduced by .00080 for non-Premium Package models.
 
BMW was providing a money factor reduction on select models for returning BMW FS lessees, but I have not seen anything about it lately so it might not still be available.
 
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Re: Lease Question [Car_man] by jeannemay
Sep 23, 2008 (5:13 am)
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Replying to: Car_man (Sep 23, 2008 4:26 am)

The x3 I am seeing is money factor .00255 they say that is because we will have no security deposit. I am a first time buyer so the .00240 is only offered if you put a security deposit.
36 months 10,000 miles. is what I am looking at. I am still having a hard time coming up with the payment per month that is good!
There is no premium package. My residual value is definitely 65% I think that looks better then what is being offered out there. Is that right? or is the mileage
a factor?
thanks again
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Re: Lease Question [jeannemay] by Car_man HOST
Sep 23, 2008 (6:05 am)
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Replying to: jeannemay (Sep 23, 2008 5:13 am)

Hey jeannemay. The dealer that you spoke with is correct. The .00240 money factor is only available for returning lessees or those who pay a security deposit equivalent to their vehicle's monthly payment rounded up to the nearest $50 increment at lease signing. BMW FS will waive its security deposit requirement for non-returning lessees in exchange for a .00015 money factor increase. This truck's 10,000 mile per year residual value is 3% higher than its 15k residual, so the 65% number is also correct.
 
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Re: Lease Question [Car_man] by jeannemay
Sep 23, 2008 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: Car_man (Sep 23, 2008 6:05 am)

thanks sooo one more question those numbers are correct but what is the bargaining tool?? the msrp is 40975 they were offering 511.00 a month came down to 505.00
all included in the 3500 down taxes, paperwork , 1st month is that an ok deal??
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Re: Lease Question [jeannemay] by Car_man HOST
Sep 24, 2008 (2:47 am)
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Replying to: jeannemay (Sep 23, 2008 6:51 am)

No problem, jeannemay. Since the lease program is good, the only way to get a lower monthly payment is to negotiate a lower selling price. the selling prices of leased vehicles are negotiable, just as if you were paying cash for or financing them. You definitely should find this number out and compare it to the prices that other community members have paid for similar trucks lately by visiting the "BMW X3 Prices Paid and Buying Experience" discussion.
 
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re-leasing by leaser310
Oct 06, 2008 (2:47 pm)
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I've been leasing a 2006 x-3 on a two year lease. The lease is up in December, and I'd like to release the car. I called my dealership and they've quoted me a leasing price of almost $230/ month more on a 24 month lease and $170/month more on a 36 month lease. They are also charging an initial payment of more than $6000 -- this after the original initial payment of $5000 I paid in 2006.
 
Remember this is now a used car. These lease charges are more than the advertised leases on the new X-3 I see in the newspaper.
 
Any idea why these charges should be so much higher than my original lease?
 
Do I have to release through the original dealership?
 
Any idea where I can get a lease my used car that is the same or less than what I am currently paying for it?
 
Thanks. RG
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Re: re-leasing [leaser310] by billmv
Oct 06, 2008 (4:41 pm)
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Replying to: leaser310 (Oct 06, 2008 2:47 pm)

RG...... Essentially you have to drill down into the math they used to calculate these payments to understand where you're getting hosed. Ask them for the following:
 
1) the capitalized cost. This should be no more than the residual value on the first lease. You paid it down to that amount, so you should not have to "buy" the car for more the second time around.
 
2) How much of the $6,000 initial payment is for a "cap cost reduction" (down payment) and how much goes to other fees. Get a complete breakdown of those fees. Is there another "bank fee"? Is the lessor BMW Financial Services or a local bank? If it's BMWFS, then you may be able to re-lease through them directly. Call them and find out.
 
3) What is the new residual value?
 
4) What is the new money factor? Compare it to MFs for new leases.
 
With these figures you can calculate your new payment. Do you know how to do that? It should match theirs. I'll bet in your case they are jacking up the MF and bank fee substantially to make more money.
 
Often in a lease on a brand new car the manufacturer will use a residual that is a bit high in order to lower the payment. But in a re-lease, they know that they have to look at what the vehicle will be worth at the end of the second lease, and that can be quite low. All that depreciation jacks up your payment. Plus, they probably won't be able to give you as good a MF as they can the first time around.
 
Good luck!
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Re: re-leasing [billmv] by leaser310
Oct 06, 2008 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: billmv (Oct 06, 2008 4:41 pm)

Thanks for the good info. I was working with my local dealership. I'll call BMWFS first thing in the morning.

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