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Capa2 by capa2
Jun 21, 2009 (5:28 am)
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My 2007 BMW 5 series lease is ending. I am thinking of buying a 2010 5 Series. I have heard that BMW is redesigning the 5 series in 2011. What are your thoughts on buying the 2010 or trying to lease for 1 year and then buying the 2011? Does anybody know how much will be changed in the redesign?
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I need advice by acgrafx
Jun 22, 2009 (12:49 am)
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I just realized that I got screwed on my 2007 530i lease.
I pay $720 with $2000 due at signing with 15K miles.
The sticker cost was $51800.
 
It is over in August and I would like your valued advice on how to get a good deal on my next lease. I would like to get this deal closed by the second week in July.
 
Do I mention that my lease is ending?
I would also like to get two leases. Do I negotiate both at the same time? Or do I negotiate one deal and then tell them that I need two leases with the same deal?
 
I just want a base model 2010 528i.
 
What should I negotiate?
What should I expect to pay per month including taxes?
 
I remember seeing a RENT CHARGE of about $5000 in my original lease contract? Did I get royally screwed? Keep in mind that this was my first time and I was overanxious. At the time, I calculated the Money Factor to .00175 and the Cap Cost was $48900 or so.
 
Thanks for all of your help.
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Re: BMW offering Factory-to-dealer $5000? [blckislandguy] by blckislandguy
Jun 22, 2009 (5:24 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 20, 2009 7:18 pm)

You leasing mavens should consider this: well cared for 2006 750i and 750iL sedans, the big boys with the V8 that will run circles around a 3 or a 5 Series, are now down around 40K. Wouldn't coming up with say 10K and buying, actually buying, one of these things for 40K or under be a far better deal than paying the fees upon fees a lease whacks you with??
 
Moreover, at the end of three years you'd have a paid for 7 Series with a still-current body style and some equity. Not either a "disposal fee" or a forced re-up.
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Re: BMW offering Factory-to-dealer $5000? [blckislandguy] by davidc1
Jun 23, 2009 (4:59 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 22, 2009 5:24 pm)

I am not sure about that. I am currently leasing a 750Li and don't plan on buying. 7 series are very expensive to maintain after the warranty and free maintenance is over. 2006 CPO should be closer to $45k before I'd jump on it. 5 series leases are great these days since new model will be out next year. The new 7 is already out, depressing the pre '09 7 series residuals.
 
I've bought high end luxury cars for 50% off in the past and learned that between further depreciation and repair costs, I am better off leasing a new one every three years. There's always some sort of subsidy to move these cars these days.
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Re: BMW offering Factory-to-dealer $5000? [davidc1] by blckislandguy
Jun 24, 2009 (6:58 pm)
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Replying to: davidc1 (Jun 23, 2009 4:59 am)

Yes, you are right that out of pocket service bills for late model lux cars can be upsetting. But consider this: the absolute biggest cost of car ownership is depreciation. Buying a car at half of what it sold for three years ago puts you so far ahead of the game that even a $1500 brake job can be justified. (But since you are going to buy a CPO it won't need brakes!)
 
Moreover, Mercedes and maybe Bimmer have CPO programs that allow you to buy additonal coverage to extend the term of the warranty from the factory. Example, a 2007 S Class if CPO'ed has the balance of the new car warranty PLUS an additional year because of the CPO. But why stop there? You can buy directly from MB two more years beyond that. The only limit is that you can't go over 100,000 miles. So, if you spent time researching a good buy on a 2007 (the first year of the current body style) S Class CPO, you could wind up with lots of factory warranty protection while you drove the current body style for 4 years.
 
Prefer the Ultimate Driving Machine? OK, play your cards right and join BMWCCA for not much money. In addition to getting Roundel which is a good mag, after you have belonged for a year, negotiate your best deal on a CPO 7 Series. After you do that, the factory will then kick in some money or cancel a payment.
 
All in all it seems to me that a lot of people lease for all the wrong reasons. But if you are the kind of guy that this board seems to attract, a guy who is concerned with researching the absolute best deal why not put the same effort into a purchase? The used market is very "inefficient" and rewards research. Maybe you'd find a black S Class 4Matic in Miami or Las Vegas that the dealer just can't get rid of because no one wants black or AWD in Miami or Vegas (assuming that they have any money left after their housing debacles). You know though it would sure look nice in Boston. Maybe, you'd turn up a low mileage 2006 Bentley Flying Spur with AWD for less than 70K which is a lot less than the 185K someone paid three years ago. If you really want a 5 Series, there are loads of 2007's on Cars.com for well under 40K.
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What do you think of this deal? by acgrafx
Jun 25, 2009 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: acgrafx (Jun 22, 2009 12:49 am)

528i 2010
As Equipped $46,625
Selling Price $43,820
 
36 Month
10K per year
1.45 MF (current customer)
61% Residual
 
Payment $531.94 ($581.17 including 9.25% California tax)
License and Registration $588.75
Bank Fee $725
Doc Fee $45
First Payment $581
No Rebates
No Cap Reduction
But Cap Reduction Tax is 9.25% = $71.22 (What is being taxed?)
Due at signing $2011.15
 
One dealership already told me that he can't beat it.
Another said he could beat it by $10 a month but I don't know what terms or Cap Red. Cost he factored in.
 
I know this sounds like a good deal but you guys have more experience in this field so I would like your advice on this one.
 
Thanks.
 
Also, do the deals get better as time passes on the 2010? I will be ready for one in July and one more in August. The wife wants one too.
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Re: What do you think of this deal? [acgrafx] by kyfdx HOST
Jun 25, 2009 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: acgrafx (Jun 25, 2009 10:42 am)

The bank fee and doc fee paid upfront... are taxed..
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Re: What do you think of this deal? [acgrafx] by blckislandguy
Jun 25, 2009 (5:21 pm)
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Replying to: acgrafx (Jun 25, 2009 10:42 am)

What is the mileage penalty if you exceed 30K miles? How much per mile? For your sake I hope that you can keep the mileage down to 30K miles over 36 months. Most lessors have to "buy back" miles at the end of the lease because they exceed the limit. Afterall, they leased the new car to drive it. Not park it.
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taking over a 2008 535i lease by rjorge3
Jun 27, 2009 (8:57 am)
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hi there, I just found a very nice 08 535i, sport, nav, shift paddles, current mileage is 11k. in lease trader not too far from me. I would be paying $569 (taxes including) per month for 21 months, and aprox 10k miles per year (around 800 per month) which can work out fine since I also have a commuter car. There is a $500 lease transfer fee that I would have to pay.
 
Is that a good monthly pmt for this car? (there will be zero money down for me), and should I ask the leasor for the $500 fee to be paid by him?
 
All feedback is greatly appreciated.

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