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Re: How's this sound,,, [speedy19] by luv2run
Oct 21, 2005 (11:37 pm)
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Replying to: speedy19 (Oct 21, 2005 9:55 pm)

I read a previous post from the host and he did mention that it is required to pay the acquisition fee and the security deposit to secure the "buy rate" lease money factor of .00250. Thanks for the info. on the acquisition fee, I thought I had read before that the fee should be $625. I mentioned that to the dealer and he kept insisting it was non-negotiable. I didn't want to fight him on it until I confirmed it on this discussion board.
 
Also, from what I read $1000 over invoice is a very good deal (I hoped I calculated that correctly from your info. provided) Thanks for your help!!!!!
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Re: CAR MAN OR ANYONE PLEASE PLEASE HELP ASAP! I AM BUYING TODAY! [speedy19] by kyfdx HOST
Oct 22, 2005 (4:33 am)
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Replying to: speedy19 (Oct 21, 2005 9:52 pm)

1) A very good deal.. $1600 off of a car with zero options is great.. Plus they are using the base money factor and acquisition fee..
 
2) The acquisition fee is charged by the bank (BMWFS).. Virtually every lending institution charges this on their leases... You can consider extra profit for the bank.. but, a bank takes a lot more risk on a lease than they do a normal car loan... Not only do they have to worry about you making your payments, etc.. but, they also have a residual value risk...
 
So, while the lease program on the 325i isn't anything special, I'd say you are getting just about the best deal possible....
 
BTW, the acquisition fee isn't included in your drive-off payment... It is rolled into your cap cost and your monthly payment (which is the way I like it).
 
Good luck today!
kyfdx
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CarMan or Anyone Help I'm buying this weekend! by ikmarco
Oct 22, 2005 (6:58 am)
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Help:
I live in NJ and am interested in a 2006 BMW 325i 6 speed transmission. Options: folding rear seats, Xenon lights only.
I've recieved a 36 month lease price of $532.06
Out of Pocket: 2,090.36
MSRP: 32,870.00
Residual: 17,800.70
Mileage: 20,000
Can someone tell me if this is a good deal or can I do better? HELP.
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Re: CarMan or Anyone Help I'm buying this weekend! [ikmarco] by kirstie_h HOST
Oct 22, 2005 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: ikmarco (Oct 22, 2005 6:58 am)

What was the purchase price? Are you paying MSRP, or were you able to negotiate a lower purchase price?
 
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Re: CarMan or Anyone Help I'm buying this weekend! [kirstie_h] by ikmarco
Oct 22, 2005 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Oct 22, 2005 7:04 am)

Agreed Value: 31,355.00
a) Gross Capital Cost 32,433.70
b) Inception Fee Deficiency 0.00
c) Adjusted Capital Cost 32,433.70
d) Residual 17,800.70
e) Depreciation Charge 14,633.00
f) Rent Charge 4,521.16
g) Total of base MP 19,154.16
h) Lease Term 36
i) Base MP 532.06
j) Monthly Tax 0.00
k) Personal Prop Tax 0.00
l) Excise Tax 0.00
m) Other Amounts 0.00
n) Total MP 532.06
 
Itemization of Amount Due at Signing
a) Total Capital Cost Reduction 0.00
  -Cap Reduction (Cash) 0.00
  -Rebates 0.00
  -Trade-In 0.00
b) Tax on Capital Cost Red. 42.00
c) First Monthly Payment 532.06
d) Last Monthly Payment(s) 0.00
e) Refundable Security Deposit 550.00
f) Acquisition Fee 625.00
g) Gap Insurance 0.00
h) Documentation Fee 75.00
i) Monthly Tax (Upfront) 0.00
j) Upfront Tax (not in Capital Cost) 0.00
k) Service Tax (not in Capital Cost) 0.00
l) Tire Tax (not in Capital Cost) 7.50
m) Lic., Insp., Title, Reg. Fees 250.50
n) Other Fees 8.30
o) Total Due at Signing 2,090.36
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Re: CarMan or Anyone Help I'm buying this weekend! [ikmarco] by kyfdx HOST
Oct 22, 2005 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: ikmarco (Oct 22, 2005 7:47 am)

1) The extra 5K miles/year is reducing your residual by $2250.. (15K miles X $0.15/mi.)
 
Are you sure you'll need all of those miles? This raises your payment about $57/mo. over a 15K/year lease..
 
2) Why is the cap cost almost $1100 higher than the agreed upon price? Are you rolling over some negative equity from a trade-in? If not, then this number troubles me..
 
3) It appears that the dealer is using the base money factor, and acquisition fee.. The $1500 discount from MSRP is pretty good at this low price level..
 
4) Sales tax isn't included in these numbers, right? Unless that is where the $1100 extra in the cap cost comes from..
 
5) At 15K mi./yr, the payment would drop to $475/mo.
 
regards,
kyfdx
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Re: CarMan or Anyone Help I'm buying this weekend! [kyfdx] by ikmarco
Oct 22, 2005 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Oct 22, 2005 11:43 am)

Thank you so much!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, yes I believe I will need approx 18-20k. BMW offers to reimburse any unused miles (over 15k) so it seems cheeper to buy the additional 5k miles upfront versus at termination which .16/mile.
 
I am not trading anything in at all. I'm not sure about the Capital cost number - ? but, Yes, the payment includes tax. These are total numbers.
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Re: CarMan or Anyone Help I'm buying this weekend! [ikmarco] by kyfdx HOST
Oct 23, 2005 (3:26 am)
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Replying to: ikmarco (Oct 22, 2005 2:00 pm)

If it includes tax, I'd assume that the Cap cost being higher than the selling price is attributable to that... And the rest of the numbers look great... I think it is a good deal..
 
But.. If the cost at lease termination is $0.16/mi., and you are paying $0.15/mi. upfront... that isn't much of a savings... Actually, I believe the cost at termination is $0.20/mi... The $0.16/mi. is what you pay to upgrade during the lease term..
 
You might consider signing up for 18K mi./year... That would drop your payment by about $20-$22 per month.. You can always reassess after 2 years, and then purchase any extra mileage needed for $016/mi. at that time..
 
Because buying too many miles will quickly erode any savings you might get..
 
Either way... you did well!!
 
regards,
kyfdx
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Re: CarMan or Anyone Help I'm buying this weekend! [kyfdx] by ikmarco
Oct 23, 2005 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Oct 23, 2005 3:26 am)

THANK YOU!!!!!!!! I really appreciate your very, very sound advice. I will consider 18k/year. Thanks again!

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