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How's this sound,,, by luv2run
Oct 19, 2005 (10:47 pm)
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Are these numbers reasonable?
325i, msrp = $37745, cap cost = $36000
$2500 cash at signing, money factor = .0029, $825 acquisition fee
36 month, 12k miles, 63% residual.
payment = $509
 
I thought the money factor was way too high, what is the current base money factor for the 325i?
 
Thanks.
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CAR MAN OR ANYONE PLEASE PLEASE HELP ASAP! I AM BUYING TODAY! by speedy19
Oct 21, 2005 (9:52 pm)
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Hi Car Man,
I am buying a 2006 325i with absolutely no options.
manual transmission, no special paint. etc.
MSRP: $31,595 (is this padded??)
Negotiated Price: $30,000
Lease 36 months/15k miles per year
MF=.00250
$0 down
 
Here is how the deal is structured.
 
Drive off: $1,242.93
Monthly payment: $474.18
That’s with the MF at .00250 and the Acquisition at $625 and the tax rate at 7.75%.
Security deposit is $500 as monthly payment is $474.18. ($440.07 + tax $34.11).
 
The car is a new stock base model jet black 325i with Manual Transmission. Mats and wheel locks are not standard but they are part of this deal.
 
I am being charged $277 in DMV fees+$500 security deposit + First Months payment.
 
First Question: AM I getting a good deal???
 
Second Question: WHy is there an acquisition fee? I called the dealer out on it, but they seem to keep telling me that is the base fee that BMSFS charges them!! Is this true, is there really an acquisition fee?? Please let me know ASAP
#88 of 3223
Re: How's this sound,,, [luv2run] by speedy19
Oct 21, 2005 (9:55 pm)
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Replying to: luv2run (Oct 19, 2005 10:47 pm)

Hi Luv2run, I too am in the same market. They have marked up your acquisiton by $200. it should be $625, I think! Please help me figure this out (please read my question)..
 
You should get your MF down to .00250 (put down a security deposit)
 
Do we absolutely need to put down a security deposit for the .00250 MF??
I dont know either, but I think youll be ahead financially. Just my opinion.
Hope I helped.
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Re: How's this sound,,, [speedy19] by luv2run
Oct 21, 2005 (11:37 pm)
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Replying to: speedy19 (Oct 21, 2005 9:55 pm)

I read a previous post from the host and he did mention that it is required to pay the acquisition fee and the security deposit to secure the "buy rate" lease money factor of .00250. Thanks for the info. on the acquisition fee, I thought I had read before that the fee should be $625. I mentioned that to the dealer and he kept insisting it was non-negotiable. I didn't want to fight him on it until I confirmed it on this discussion board.
 
Also, from what I read $1000 over invoice is a very good deal (I hoped I calculated that correctly from your info. provided) Thanks for your help!!!!!
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Re: CAR MAN OR ANYONE PLEASE PLEASE HELP ASAP! I AM BUYING TODAY! [speedy19] by kyfdx HOST
Oct 22, 2005 (4:33 am)
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Replying to: speedy19 (Oct 21, 2005 9:52 pm)

1) A very good deal.. $1600 off of a car with zero options is great.. Plus they are using the base money factor and acquisition fee..
 
2) The acquisition fee is charged by the bank (BMWFS).. Virtually every lending institution charges this on their leases... You can consider extra profit for the bank.. but, a bank takes a lot more risk on a lease than they do a normal car loan... Not only do they have to worry about you making your payments, etc.. but, they also have a residual value risk...
 
So, while the lease program on the 325i isn't anything special, I'd say you are getting just about the best deal possible....
 
BTW, the acquisition fee isn't included in your drive-off payment... It is rolled into your cap cost and your monthly payment (which is the way I like it).
 
Good luck today!
kyfdx
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CarMan or Anyone Help I'm buying this weekend! by ikmarco
Oct 22, 2005 (6:58 am)
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Help:
I live in NJ and am interested in a 2006 BMW 325i 6 speed transmission. Options: folding rear seats, Xenon lights only.
I've recieved a 36 month lease price of $532.06
Out of Pocket: 2,090.36
MSRP: 32,870.00
Residual: 17,800.70
Mileage: 20,000
Can someone tell me if this is a good deal or can I do better? HELP.
#93 of 3223
Re: CarMan or Anyone Help I'm buying this weekend! [ikmarco] by kirstie_h HOST
Oct 22, 2005 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: ikmarco (Oct 22, 2005 6:58 am)

What was the purchase price? Are you paying MSRP, or were you able to negotiate a lower purchase price?
 
kirstie_h
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Re: CarMan or Anyone Help I'm buying this weekend! [kirstie_h] by ikmarco
Oct 22, 2005 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Oct 22, 2005 7:04 am)

Agreed Value: 31,355.00
a) Gross Capital Cost 32,433.70
b) Inception Fee Deficiency 0.00
c) Adjusted Capital Cost 32,433.70
d) Residual 17,800.70
e) Depreciation Charge 14,633.00
f) Rent Charge 4,521.16
g) Total of base MP 19,154.16
h) Lease Term 36
i) Base MP 532.06
j) Monthly Tax 0.00
k) Personal Prop Tax 0.00
l) Excise Tax 0.00
m) Other Amounts 0.00
n) Total MP 532.06
 
Itemization of Amount Due at Signing
a) Total Capital Cost Reduction 0.00
  -Cap Reduction (Cash) 0.00
  -Rebates 0.00
  -Trade-In 0.00
b) Tax on Capital Cost Red. 42.00
c) First Monthly Payment 532.06
d) Last Monthly Payment(s) 0.00
e) Refundable Security Deposit 550.00
f) Acquisition Fee 625.00
g) Gap Insurance 0.00
h) Documentation Fee 75.00
i) Monthly Tax (Upfront) 0.00
j) Upfront Tax (not in Capital Cost) 0.00
k) Service Tax (not in Capital Cost) 0.00
l) Tire Tax (not in Capital Cost) 7.50
m) Lic., Insp., Title, Reg. Fees 250.50
n) Other Fees 8.30
o) Total Due at Signing 2,090.36
#95 of 3223
Re: CarMan or Anyone Help I'm buying this weekend! [ikmarco] by kyfdx HOST
Oct 22, 2005 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: ikmarco (Oct 22, 2005 7:47 am)

1) The extra 5K miles/year is reducing your residual by $2250.. (15K miles X $0.15/mi.)
 
Are you sure you'll need all of those miles? This raises your payment about $57/mo. over a 15K/year lease..
 
2) Why is the cap cost almost $1100 higher than the agreed upon price? Are you rolling over some negative equity from a trade-in? If not, then this number troubles me..
 
3) It appears that the dealer is using the base money factor, and acquisition fee.. The $1500 discount from MSRP is pretty good at this low price level..
 
4) Sales tax isn't included in these numbers, right? Unless that is where the $1100 extra in the cap cost comes from..
 
5) At 15K mi./yr, the payment would drop to $475/mo.
 
regards,
kyfdx
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